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Thread: The strange psychological phenomenon that explains why people hate cyclists

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    BTW - I actually do not have a problem with this kind of "stopping." It's the equivalent of what we all do at a stop sign: we slow down enough to ascertain that all is safe and well, and then we proceed. Drivers do it; people on bikes do it; pedestrians do it (they don't need to slow down, typically, to make this ascertainment). People on bikes do not need to slow as much as drivers do, because we are usually approaching at a slower speed to begin with and thus have more time to survey, we are usually higher up, we have no blind spots, and we can hear better, because our head is outside.
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    A couple of years ago, I got a ticket for not coming to a complete stop while heading east on Buckeye Drive to turn right on Ohio Drive while doing the Hains Point loop. Thankfully that particular officer has left and throughout the pandemic there has been no trouble. After the ticket, I counted how many cars do that. More than half did not stop including those turning left on Ohio which requires crossing a road. I did not count the police cars which don't have to obey the law. The worst offenders are the NPS maintenance vehicles and their contractors which virtually never stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve O View Post
    No they don't. They think they do, but they don't. Watch the wheels:

    I guess I should qualify my previous statement with "when there are others". If there is no RoW decision involved, who cares?
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    I read on the internet (which may mean this is false, because...internet) that the law never grants RoW, but rather defines when RoW must be yielded to another road user. The distinction probably doesn’t affect the present thread much, but I wonder how many potentially fraught traffic interactions would go more smoothly if all road users felt more inclined to yield for everyone’s safety, rather than assert their “right” as a territorial reflex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkel View Post
    I read on the internet (which may mean this is false, because...internet) that the law never grants RoW, but rather defines when RoW must be yielded to another road user. The distinction probably doesn’t affect the present thread much, but I wonder how many potentially fraught traffic interactions would go more smoothly if all road users felt more inclined to yield for everyone’s safety, rather than assert their “right” as a territorial reflex.
    Either way, the RoW is the basis of most traffic laws and requires the knowledge of how this is applied in order to be a safe user of the roads.

    Another practice that I wish motorists would do less of, particularly to cyclists is the notion of traffic "courtesy", like coming up to a four-way stop with cars when I'm riding, or waiting to make a left turn. Even when the car has clear RoW, the driver often waits or stops to give RoW. What the driver does not realize is that this gesture often makes a situation more precarious by introducing the element of unpredictability as being predictable is safe, and courtesy is not predictable. Furthermore, this conjures up the "I shall grant you access" mentality of some drivers. So no thank you, I don't want your courtesy, so save it as I much prefer that the driver just learn how traffic law works and how to apply it, properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaCynic View Post
    Another practice that I wish that motorists would do less of, particularly to cyclists is the notion of traffic "courtesy", like coming up to a four-way stop with car when I'm riding, or waiting to make a left turn. Even when the car has clear RoW, the driver often waits or stops to gives me RoW. What the driver does not realize is that this gesture often makes a situation more precarious by introducing the element of unpredictability as being predictable is safe, and courtesy is not predictable. Furthermore, this conjures up the "I shall grant you access" mentality of some drivers, so no thank you, I don't want this courtesy, so save it as I much prefer that the driver just learn how traffic law works and how to apply it.
    Totally this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordofthemark View Post
    This doesn't really match my point though. People who regularly ride bikes on street generally have a pretty good idea of safe riding behavior, and of laws relating to bikes.

    Similarly, drivers mostly have some idea (even if they violate it anyway) of how to drive safely around other cars, and what the laws are in that regard.

    What drivers (and even car free pedestrians who do not ride bikes, sorry Steve) do not know, and what bike riders do know, are things like the dooring issue, the reasons to ride in the center of the lane, the need to get to the left to make a left turn, etc, etc.
    If you ever see 3 cars arrive at a 4-way stop and execute it correctly according to the law, let me know. I'll erect a silver Virginia history marker to commemorate the event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan von Buckingham View Post
    If you ever see 3 cars arrive at a 4-way stop and execute it correctly according to the law, let me know. I'll erect a silver Virginia history marker to commemorate the event.
    "mostly"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan von Buckingham View Post
    If you ever see 3 cars arrive at a 4-way stop and execute it correctly according to the law, let me know. I'll erect a silver Virginia history marker to commemorate the event.
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    Four way stop instead of the door.

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    Stop signs? Yield signs? Traffic lights?

    No. This is how it should be done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAjP5IL56Yc

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