Weird tire problem – slow leaks

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  • #1002960
    hozn
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    I had this happen recently too — last week, 2 flats right around Vienna. In my case I could find nothing in the tire either time, but there must have been some tiny piece of glass or sand and I was more thorough cleaning the tire the second time. Fingers crossed that it’ll be another few thousand miles before I get another. Maybe there was broken glass on the trail out there (but certainly don’t remember seeing anything) …

    #1002971
    vern
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    I just bought gatorskins, so hopefully that solves the problem.

    #1002976
    Howard L.
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    @vernonhorn 87133 wrote:

    I think tires tend to loose some integrity as they age, even though they may look fine, (ie not dry rotted, or with obvious flaws). When I start having this problem I just spring for new tires and think to myself “well, new tires = about ten trips on the metro, and then I’m back to saving money…”

    I have to agree with you. I’ve had my tires go flat for seemingly no reason at all other than age. Just part of the deal, I guess.

    #1003052
    vern
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    I just took my first ride on the Gatorskins and had my first flat free ride since last Thursday morning (the 4 miler Saturday doesn’t count). So I guess it was just worn, overly compromised tires. Lesson learned.

    #1003507
    Emm
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    I’m now dealing with a slow leak to. My hybrid tires are recommended to be filled to 60-80 PSI, and I generally fill them towards the top of that range since I only ride them on pavement. They usually drop about 5 PSI in 24 hrs, and have since the bike was brand new. My back one started dropping by 10-15 PSI per day about 2 days ago. 2 old cuts ~1mm in length on the tire are visible (although appear clean–aka nothing new is sitting in them), and a tiny new cut that doesn’t appear to go all the way though (or have anything in it) is visible.

    Tonight when I get home I’ll replace the tube and hopefully find whatever is causing the leak. Hopefully that solves it :-/

    I’m prone to flats, but only on my back wheel, and they never occur in the same spot. I’m starting to wonder if I should switch to a thorn resistant tube for the back tire. Switching tubes out every 6 weeks is getting annoying.

    #1003509
    hozn
    Participant

    You can also use tube patches on the inside of your tires where those cuts come all the way through. I do that to repair tires that I run tubeless (when the holes are too big for sealant or the small tire plugs).

    #1003511
    Emm
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    @hozn 87726 wrote:

    You can also use tube patches on the inside of your tires where those cuts come all the way through. I do that to repair tires that I run tubeless (when the holes are too big for sealant or the small tire plugs).

    Good idea–I’ll do that tonight. I have a few tube patches I can stick on the inside of my tire thanks to the kit Bike Arlington gave out at bike to work day :)

    #1003513
    Geoff
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    This won’t help when there is no clear reason for a leak, but I regularly inspect my tires for glass and stones embedded in the tire that haven’t worked in far enough to cause a flat. When I find something (and I have, several times) I pry it out (carefully!) with a safety pin. Then I seal the cut with Shoe Goo.

    I have still gotten “mystery flats” but have saved myself several times, both with my lightweight road tires and the Gatorskins on my commuter.

    #1003545
    Emm
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    Found the offender, without even using the bathtub (although i still used the tub to confirm it was the only leak since I’m sick of changing my tubes…).

    1mm piece of wire that was thinner than a strand of hair. It was sticking right out of the tube when I pulled it out. Explains why the leak was so slow…the hole was tiny.

    Now to patch the old holes on my tire and put my bike back together.

    #1003547
    n18
    Participant

    I hate flats. My tires are 700×35, with 30 TPI, weighing around 500 Grams, and using Shrader valves, PSI range around 50 to 60 PSI. I first used Mr Tuffy tire liners, but had more frequent flats. I didn’t cut it to size, it was longer than necessary, so I thought it wouldn’t hurt, it turned out like some Amazon reviewers said that Mr Tuffy sticks to itself sometimes, or sticks to the tire, and when you go over a rock/broken pavement/uneven sidewalk, part of the tire wants to go one way, and the tire liner and tube want to go another way, so the tire liner makes an impression on the tube, and after a while this causes slow leaks. I guess that the same thing would happen with patches to a smaller extent, so I prefer to replace the tube if possible.

    I then replaced the stock tube and Mr Tuffy with Forte puncture resistant tube on the back tire only, the new tube weighs 436 Grams, but I felt that someone replaced my wheel with a car wheel, or even an eighteen wheeler as a joke.

    Finally, I realized that like others said, it’s better to have the puncture resistance on the tire rather than the tube, so I upgraded both tires to Continental Grand Prix 4000S II 700cx25 Road Tires, which have 330 TPI, divided into 3 layers, 110 TPI each. The difference in rolling resistance was substantial, I could accelerate faster, and even go uphill faster, but this could be due to me cleaning the hubs and re-grease the bearings. When going south on the W&OD from Hunter Mill RD to Vienna, which is slow steady uphill, I went from a steady speed of 8 MPH(original tires, wrong fit), to 10 MPH(original tires, proper fit, just lifting the seat one inch as all I did to gain 2 MPH), to 12 MPH(new lighter tires, 25mm wide instead of the stock 35mm, and cleaner hubs). All this speed increase was in the span of two months(March to May), so it’s unlikely because I have become more fit, in fact during these two months I didn’t push myself as hard as usual.

    I have had two flats with the new tires, and they were my fault. I used two new regular Forte tubes. Flat#1 was slow, and was caused by me not paying attention when I was installing the tube. I dragged the tube around and it must have made contact with “invisible” sharp edges of my tools and the stuff I had laying around while replacing the tires. When I put the tube in water, I saw a string of shallow cuts along the side of the tube, like a series of pearls, but with no holes in them, except one which had a tiny hole.

    Flat#2 has yet to be fixed, but I was getting very slow leaks and I think it’s a pinch flat when I went over an edge of a sidewalk harder than I should.

    If you are using Presta valves, I highly recommend watching this video despite the poor quality and what seems that the video is ending in the middle. It covers common mistakes when working with road tires, particularly high pressure tires.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpk6hRAV–Q

    In summary, from the video and other sources:

    1. Throw away the nut that goes to the bottom of the valve, it causes flats at the stem.
    2. Inflate a new tube first outside the tire, then deflate it and put it in.
    3. Make sure that you keep the new tube at a clean place, without contact with any tools or components that may have sharp edges.
    4. Inspect both sides of the rim, and make sure that they don’t have sharp edges, otherwise they may cut the tube.
    5. Inspect the rim tape to make sure that it’s not damaged and that it covers all spokes.
    6. After putting the tire in, don’t inflate to the full PSI, only to a small number, like 30 PSI, and massage the tire so if part of the tube was not properly in place, it may cause flats later. See time index 6:15 in the video above for pictures that illustrate what happens. Wide tires, which usually use Shrader valves are more forgiving of these mistakes, because of the higher width and low PSI.
    7. Inflate to the recommended PSI.
    8. Checking the tire visually after inflation without spinning it is not enough, because it may not be obvious if the tube is properly seated. See time index 4:00 in the video above for details.
    #1003548
    n18
    Participant

    @Emm 87763 wrote:

    Found the offender, without even using the bathtub

    I use a bucket I bought from a dollar store, much quicker to fill and easier to move around.:)

    #1003549
    PotomacCyclist
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    @Emm 87763 wrote:

    Found the offender, without even using the bathtub (although i still used the tub to confirm it was the only leak since I’m sick of changing my tubes…).

    1mm piece of wire that was thinner than a strand of hair. It was sticking right out of the tube when I pulled it out. Explains why the leak was so slow…the hole was tiny.

    Now to patch the old holes on my tire and put my bike back together.

    On a different (non-bike) note, I saw a TV program about some teenager who nearly died from an unexplained cause. Doctors discovered that he had swallowed a small metal wire accidentally. His father had used a wire brush to clean the backyard grill, but didn’t wipe it down afterward with a paper towel. Then one of the wires became embedded in a burger or hotdog, which the son ate. He began experiencing symptoms a day or two later, before becoming seriously ill. Fortunately he survived. The father threw out the wire brush and said he would never use one again to clean the grill.

    #1003550
    Emm
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    @PotomacCyclist 87767 wrote:

    On a different (non-bike) note, I saw a TV program about some teenager who nearly died from an unexplained cause. Doctors discovered that he had swallowed a small metal wire accidentally. His father had used a wire brush to clean the backyard grill, but didn’t wipe it down afterward with a paper towel. Then one of the wires became embedded in a burger or hotdog, which the son ate. He began experiencing symptoms a day or two later, before becoming seriously ill. Fortunately he survived. The father threw out the wire brush and said he would never use one again to clean the grill.

    OMG thats probably where the wire was from! I use a brush like that on my grill, and store my bike back there next to the grill. Ill use the shop vac on the porch this weekend and get a new grill brush.

    I also don’t wipe the grill down after using the brush, eep…

    #1003553
    PotomacCyclist
    Participant

    Here’s a Seattle Times article about the 2013 case:

    http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020948798_bristlebarbecuexml.html

    Sounds like this is a more common problem than people think. Many cases are misdiagnosed. The article mentions that sometimes doctors will find the small wire through exploratory surgery, but they don’t realize that it might have come from a wire brush used to clean a grill.

    I think the TV program ended with a safety expert recommending that people use ceramic scouring pads instead of wire brushes. Or if they use a wire brush, wash off the grill with a hose afterward and wipe off the grill with a paper towel to remove any loose wire strands. But if there are loose wire pieces, those will still be lying around.

    #1003570
    ShawnoftheDread
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    TV announcer: Has this ever happened to you?!

    Marge Simpson: No, but it’s my biggest concern!

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