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    Henry
    Keymaster

    Update 11/21/18:

    ****PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD. **** This is a post to provide a single spot for information regarding Bike Arlington Freezing Saddles (BAFS). I will update this post as needed to keep information current. If you have a question, or think that something needs to be added or changed in this post, PM me please.

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    What is Freezing Saddles, (or BAFS “Bike Arlington Freezing Saddles”)?

    Freezing Saddles is a winter riding competition for bike riders in the general DC area, organized by random people who talk to each other on the Washington Area/ Bike Arlington Bike Forum. While we organize ourselves on the BikeArlington forum, and Bike Arlington has generously donated some sort of prizes in the past, we are not run by BikeArlington. As described by a forum member, BAFS organization

    Originally Posted by Steve O:

    probably most closely resembles organizing a game of freeze tag on the grade-school playground.

    How it works, keeping in mind things can and do change year-to-year during the planning stage:

    Freezing Saddles runs from January 1 through the last full day of winter (1 second before midnight, March 19). We divide people into teams of 10 or so people, striving for competitive parity. Each team is a mix of riders who typically ride enough to qualify as insane, people who ride regularly but like sane people, people who ride occasionally, and people who have never ridden through a winter before. An attempt is made to keep the mix roughly comparable for all the teams so they are approximately evenly matched and everyone has a fair shot at being on a winning team. This is usually botched, but we ask people to fill out a registration form to the best of their ability before each year’s game to create a list of players and your expected or typical mileage. A volunteer for the year then divvies everyone up into teams using combinations of predicted miles, random selection, and sometimes preferences for regional team groupings.

    Usually sometime around Halloween, planning threads pop up on the forum (in the Freezing Saddles subforum; if you’re reading this, you’re already here), where we argue about things like e-bikes, and whether 10 points per day is the right number and other rules minutia. Past rules are subject to change in the yearly planning process. Sometime around Thanksgiving someone usually puts up the registration information. Registration typically closes on Christmas Eve, and/or when we have reached the participation limit. In recent years, we capped the number of players at 250 to try to keep the game and the data collection manageable.

    We use Strava for data collection and team organization, which means that to play, you will need a Strava account and after teams are created, you will need to join your team’s Strava group. You will also need some sort of GPS device or smartphone to track your rides. We no longer count manually entered rides (not because we don’t trust you, they just tended to cause too much data corrective work for the leaderboard techie gurus).

    We use a leaderboard application http://freezingsaddles.com/ developed and maintained by awesome forum member hozn (but being taken on by obscurerichard this year) to report on team and individual points and all kinds of other cool riding metrics with team/individual standings. Plus pictures. Players need to authorize this app to read your Strava data, or Strava rightly will not give us access to it.

    People also offer up “Pointless Prizes”, prizes for whatever kind of random things strikes the fancy of the person offering the prize. These are generally announced on postings in the Freezing Saddles subforum of the BikeArlington Forum.

    We generally have a happy hour near the start of the game to formally announce teams and after the end of the game to hand out prizes. These are fun, but attendance is not mandatory.

    And if you want to promote any of this nonsense on the Twitters or other social mediums, use the hashbrown #BAFS2019.

    Some links to get you started:

    Registration form, and description of the steps to register here.
    Whom to contact for various functions: http://bikearlingtonforum.com/showthread.php?13903-2019-Freezing-Saddles-Volunteers

    2019 Rules:

    1) Scoring: Some slight changes were made to try to tighten up the Team Competition. These, of course, are again subject to change in future years!!!

    • 10 points for each day of 1 mile+ (same as before)
    • 1 point per mile (same as before)
    • Team contribution per individual capped at 100 miles per week. A week is Monday-Sunday. Partial weeks at beginning and end also have 100 miles cap on team contribution.
    • Individual rankings remain the same with no cap on the individual mileage on scoreboard.
    So the max someone can contribute to their team is 170 points per week. If they miss a day but still ride 100 miles, they get 160 points.

    2) Game runs 00:00:01 January 1 through 23:59:59 March 19 (the last day of winter). All rides starting from January 1 on count, even though teams will not be assigned until the first happy hour (typically, a week or two after that). If you are planning to get a super-early start and be out riding your bike as the year changes, be aware that rides starting *before* midnight will not be counted by the leaderboard. You need to stop your recording device and restart a new ride after midnight for your miles on January 1 to count. Similarly, you will need to end your last ride by 23:59:59 March 19 for it to count.

    3) Trainer rides don’t count. Mark your rides as such or include #NOBAFS in the title to exclude them. Take your bike outside and ride it some distance across the surface of the earth in order to earn points. Manual entries will also not be accepted. This is a change from previous years.

    4) Rides made while travelling out of the area do count. On vacation somewhere warm? Lucky you! Find a bike and ride it for some points. Somewhere extra cold? So, so sorry. Find a bike and ride it for some points!

    5) Rides made on E-assist (but not solely electric/motor powered) bikes do count, except that rides on an Elf do not. See here: Inane E-bike Debate.

    6) Anyone can award a Pointless Prize for anything. Go check out the thread for what people are offering, and feel free to join in and award something yourself. These are typically small fun or cute or symbolic things, not high dollar prizes or anything. But whatever you want! No one will probably argue about you throwing money or new bikes at them if you so desire.)

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  • #1092273
    Bob James
    Participant

    @AlanA 183575 wrote:

    And one final note, I think the 1 mile sleaze ride is quite bogus. I’ve certainly done it in the past, but what does it really accomplish? A person riding one mile around their neighborhood in awful weather (or while they are sick) is not promoting anything of value.

    Many live within 1 mile to a 7-11, or other convenience type store. Instead of riding around in a circle for a mile, ride to one for a doughnut, coffee, hot cocoa, etc…. People will see you out promoting riding and you’ll be helping the economy to boot.

    #1092274
    peterw_diy
    Participant

    @AlanA 183575 wrote:

    …I seem to recall that the whole point of this challenge when it started was to promote daily commuters.

    …what does it really accomplish? A person riding one mile around their neighborhood in awful weather (or while they are sick) is not promoting anything of value.

    Isn’t this when rcannon100 jumps in to assert there is no point to this?

    #1092278
    rcannon100
    Participant

    ZZZZZZZZZ, huh…. what???

    “There’s no point to this!”

    ZZZZZZZZZZZ

    #1092279
    rcannon100
    Participant

    But Peter’s write. FS was an idiotic game played between friends during winter riding months. It did not “promote” anything. Those who impute ulterior motives are merely projecting their own agendas where they simply did not exist. FS was a game between friends. Nothing more.

    #1092833
    ericoperageek
    Participant

    Looking forward to some good riding this season!

    #1092836
    bikingjenn
    Participant

    I want to post a “thanks” to this thread but I am not sure how to do that. Forum-inept user

    #1092856
    cvcalhoun
    Participant

    @bikingjenn 184451 wrote:

    I want to post a “thanks” to this thread but I am not sure how to do that. Forum-inept user

    You managed!

    #1092860
    camiller
    Participant

    @TwoWheelsDC 183606 wrote:

    Only if you assume no one would ride ~1 mile for anything, which is definitely not the case. The 1-mile rule incentivizes people to take a bike when they may not otherwise, like taking CaBi instead of Metro or a Lyft or whatever. While the 1-mile rule does enable the type of “sleaze” rides to which you are referring, I think you’d be surprised at the number of 1-ish mile rides in FS that are people using bikes to complete everyday tasks.

    Sometimes I just need a “kick” to get out the door and on to my bike. The “sleaze” rides have given me incentive to get out and many times I end up riding longer than I planned because I was just having fun. Having that incentive has taught me that I can enjoy riding in “winter weather”.

    #1093072
    sszibler
    Participant

    My suggestion would be to consider upping the cap to 200 or 150. That would make ringers a little more relevant to teams, challenge most people, but not make some teams always win from outliers. An even bigger issue for me was distribution of ringers. There were teams with only one and other teams with three (if I remember correctly). Just an unrequested thought :p Maybe that’s hard to control. But a cap seems like a partial solution so I don’t hate it. Thinking out loud. Oh, I don’t know . . .

    #1093076
    LhasaCM
    Participant

    Since the teams have already been established, I think it’s a bit late to consider re-revising the rules. Maybe something for next year after we see how this all plays out…

    Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using Tapatalk

    #1093497
    dbehrend
    Participant

    @Henry 182997 wrote:

    1) Scoring: Some slight changes were made to try to tighten up the Team Competition. These, of course, are again subject to change in future years!!!

    •10 points for each day of 1 mile+ (same as before)
    •1 point per mile (same as before)
    •Team contribution per individual capped at 100 miles per week. A week is Monday-Sunday. Partial weeks at beginning and end also have 100 miles cap on team contribution.
    •Individual rankings remain the same with no cap on the individual mileage on scoreboard.
    So the max someone can contribute to their team is 170 points per week. If they miss a day but still ride 100 miles, they get 160 points.

    Could someone clarify whether the cap is applied each week or across the number of weeks in the competition (e.g., If one rides 7 days and 70 miles one week and 7 days and 130 the next, would they earn 310 points or 340)?

    #1093502
    Hancockbs
    Participant

    @dbehrend 185155 wrote:

    Could someone clarify whether the cap is applied each week or across the number of weeks in the competition (e.g., If one rides 7 days and 70 miles one week and 7 days and 130 the next, would they earn 310 points or 340)?

    The rules indicate the cap runs Monday through Sunday, so I’m fairly certain it is a weekly limit and not an average or total over the entire time

    #1093504
    rcannon100
    Participant

    No no no. The cap only applies to Subby and Vin.

    EDITED: Oh yes, and Bruce.

    #1093505
    chuxtr
    Participant

    @Hancockbs 185160 wrote:

    The rules indicate the cap runs Monday through Sunday, so I’m fairly certain it is a weekly limit and not an average or total over the entire time

    That is a correct. It is a weekly limit based on the Strava Monday through Sunday ride week. In the case of the first week of FS, the ride week is Tuesday through Sunday but you can still get credit for 100 miles. Ditto for the last week of FS, which is just two days.

    #1093507
    dbehrend
    Participant

    Thank you for the clarification! That’s what I initially thought when I read Henry’s post, and I saw a few posts commenting on not being able to make up missed miles later, but I wanted to make sure.

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