Accident on Mt. Vernon Trail (07/07) Near National Airport
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July 8, 2016 at 2:10 am #918376JanaeBixbyParticipant
Does anyone know if the three (??) cyclists were ok today after an accident on the Mt. Vernon trail (along the airport) at the intersection where you turn off for Crystal City to go down towards the pedestrian bridge tunnel? The accident was where the split is from the main trail. It was extremely crowded during the afternoon rush today (due to Safe Track??) and I was in a long line of bikes passing along, but it looked like at least 3 people were involved, one on the ground with serious injuries and I heard what I think was at least 3 ambulances just after passing it. Hope everyone made it out (relatively) ok, but not so sure. I think I passed the accident some time between 5:30 and 6:00 pm.
Everyone please be safe with so many (unexperienced or non-regular) bikers on the trail. Have patience and don’t create unsafe passing situations!
July 8, 2016 at 11:37 am #1054978ArlingtonriderParticipantThis is so sad to read about and so unnecessary if everyone would be a little more thoughtful of others. I hope that those who want to go faster or avoid the MVT crowds (especially during Safetrack) will consider using alternate routes, such as the back way around the Pentagon to Boundary Channel Drive or Eads.
July 8, 2016 at 12:50 pm #1054982bobco85ParticipantThat’s terrible to hear about yet another accident on the MVT near DCA. The area on the MVT near the Crystal City Connector on both sides is not good for passing because the sight lines are not there. Northbound or southbound, one just can’t see far ahead enough to safely make a pass, and combining that with a somewhat well-used turn-off at the CCC can make for a dangerous situation.
I hope we can find out more information as to the cause of the crash. I’d like to know exactly what contributed to the crash.
@Arlingtonrider 142765 wrote:
This is so sad to read about and so unnecessary if everyone would be a little more thoughtful of others. I hope that those who want to go faster will consider using alternate routes, such as the back way around the Pentagon to Boundary Drive or Eads.
I will be showing the 14th St Bridge->Boundary Channel Dr->Eads route in my upcoming SafeTrack video, so hopefully that will help guide people on a less-crowded route.
July 8, 2016 at 1:06 pm #1054985JanaeBixbyParticipant@bobco85 142769 wrote:
I will be showing the 14th St Bridge->Boundary Channel Dr->Eads route in my upcoming SafeTrack video, so hopefully that will help guide people on a less-crowded route.
How do we find your videos? Where are they posted?
July 8, 2016 at 1:33 pm #1054992mohonkParticipant@JanaeBixby 142760 wrote:
Does anyone know if the three (??) cyclists were ok today after an accident on the Mt. Vernon trail (along the airport) at the intersection where you turn off for Crystal City to go down towards the pedestrian bridge tunnel? The accident was where the split is from the main trail. It was extremely crowded during the afternoon rush today (due to Safe Track??) and I was in a long line of bikes passing along, but it looked like at least 3 people were involved, one on the ground with serious injuries and I heard what I think was at least 3 ambulances just after passing it. Hope everyone made it out (relatively) ok, but not so sure. I think I passed the accident some time between 5:30 and 6:00 pm.
Everyone please be safe with so many (unexperienced or non-regular) bikers on the trail. Have patience and don’t create unsafe passing situations!
That spot is problematic for a couple of reasons. You have riders building up speed for momentum to get up that quick rise by the water park. But the trestle is one big blind spot, you won’t see walkers until you enter the tunnel and then it’s too late. Then you have riders who ignore the slow warning sign as they leave Crystal Drive. That’s where I get on as I head into the District for my morning commute. I take the sign literally and I pray that there isn’t a cyclist passing a walker at speed heading in my direction!
July 8, 2016 at 1:49 pm #1054995JanaeBixbyParticipant@mohonk 142779 wrote:
That spot is problematic for a couple of reasons. You have riders building up speed for momentum to get up that quick rise by the water park. But the trestle is one big blind spot, you won’t see walkers until you enter the tunnel and then it’s too late. Then you have riders who ignore the slow warning sign as they leave Crystal Drive. That’s where I get on as I head into the District for my morning commute. I take the sign literally and I pray that there isn’t a cyclist passing a walker at speed heading in my direction!
You are right about the dangers of the particular spot you reference, It’s one of the worst. This accident, however, seemed to be on the upper bridge right on the MVT (or where the two trails meet), not below. So if you were coming from Crystal City, to join the MVT. Picture below. this spot is also tricky because if you are joining the MVT you have to stop and look in both directions, and yesterday was the busiest day I have seen. Of course, it could have just been an accident from passing of people already on the MVT, as that is sort of a blind spot in all directions.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]12079[/ATTACH]July 8, 2016 at 3:39 pm #1055005Steve OParticipant@JanaeBixby 142782 wrote:
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I actually think this could be improved if they would pave the desire trail and put up yield signs for those coming up from Crystal City. It’s unpredictable to know if someone is going to follow the desire path or the pavement. Paving will make movements more predictable.
- S-bound MVT to CC will take current desire path – no need to slow for hard right turn
- S-bound MVT straight will bear left to stay on the path
- N-bound MVT will have no change to current conditions
- CC to s-bound MVT will continue as current
- CC to n-bound MVT will use newly paved path. This is where signage will be necessary to warn of possible conflicts
As long as the desire line exists, it will be taken, so better to pave it and make it as safe as possible than to pretend that people will stay on the pavement. Someone once suggested that a bush could be planted there to eliminate the use of the line. I do not like this idea, as it will make sight lines even worse.
(I feel the exact same way about the desire line at the 14th St. bridge, FWIW)
July 8, 2016 at 3:44 pm #1055008washcycleParticipant@Steve O 142794 wrote:
As long as the desire line exists, it will be taken, so better to pave it and make it as safe as possible than to pretend that people will stay on the pavement. Someone once suggested that a bush could be planted there to eliminate the use of the line. I do not like this idea, as it will make sight lines even worse.
(I feel the exact same way about the desire line at the 14th St. bridge, FWIW)
I don’t even think a bush would do it. You would need a wall. If only there were someone who liked walls, but not Bushs.
July 8, 2016 at 4:29 pm #1055013JuddParticipant@Steve O 142794 wrote:
Someone once suggested that a bush could be planted there to eliminate the use of the line. I do not like this idea, as it will make sight lines even worse.
(I feel the exact same way about the desire line at the 14th St. bridge, FWIW)
I think the clear solution here is multiple bollards, Steve O. Come join the bollard dark side.
I agree with Steve O. It would create a similar path setup that occurs at the connection to Four Mile Run further south although the sight line going south isn’t too great.
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July 8, 2016 at 4:30 pm #1055015bobco85Participant@JanaeBixby 142772 wrote:
How do we find your videos? Where are they posted?
I’ve been posting them on this thread (this is for the current SafeTrack Surge #3): http://bikearlingtonforum.com/showthread.php?p=142501#post142501
Additionally, I have shared them via Twitter (hopefully I used the most useful hashtags, but my Twitter handle is @bobco85) and the WMATA BikePool page on Facebook. I know at least one of the videos has shown up on the WABA SafeTrack page: http://www.waba.org/resources/safetrack/
I don’t make any money from the videos, but I enjoy making them knowing that it will help some people, so please share them if you know others who could use the information.
July 8, 2016 at 4:37 pm #1055016LeprosyStudyGroupParticipant@Judd 142802 wrote:
I agree with Steve O. It would create a similar path setup that occurs at the connection to Four Mile Run further south although the sight line going south isn’t too great.
Yup. It’s incredible how many very dangerous blind corners and turns there are on this trail between gravelly point and old town that would be pretty much solved by simply pruning trail side branches below say 10ft and taming a few bushes.
July 8, 2016 at 5:28 pm #1055029Steve OParticipant@LeprosyStudyGroup 142805 wrote:
Yup. It’s incredible how many very dangerous blind corners and turns there are on this trail between gravelly point and old town that would be pretty much solved by simply pruning trail side branches below say 10ft and taming a few bushes.
Yes.
OTOH, if memory serves, there used to be bushes alongside the trail between the trail and the Parkway itself, at least in a few spots. Those bushes served to shield southbound riders from the oncoming headlights of cars on the parkway. They were removed and never replaced. Does anyone else remember this?July 8, 2016 at 7:12 pm #1055036JuddParticipant@Steve O 142819 wrote:
Yes.
OTOH, if memory serves, there used to be bushes alongside the trail between the trail and the Parkway itself, at least in a few spots. Those bushes served to shield southbound riders from the oncoming headlights of cars on the parkway. They were removed and never replaced. Does anyone else remember this?Before my time here but I wished for a hedgerow last week as I rode northbound at night and had several instances where I was completely blinded by traffic from the Parkway. Perhaps some vigilante shrub planting is in order.
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July 8, 2016 at 9:10 pm #1055044notinthe18Participant@Judd 142826 wrote:
Before my time here but I wished for a hedgerow last week as I rode northbound at night and had several instances where I was completely blinded by traffic from the Parkway. Perhaps some vigilante shrub planting is in order.
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Second this. Coming southbound on that little rise after Gravelly Point but before DCA at night, especially in the rain, with oncoming headlights, is absolutely terrifying for me, and I’m reasonably experienced and confident.
July 8, 2016 at 10:02 pm #1055047Lt. DanParticipantI normally ride roadways or the W&OD out west. Weekend before last was my first time riding the MVT, and I had no issues with other riders(okay, there was one that made a pretty silly pass), but I was more surprised by the number of people stopped, having conversations in the middle of the trail, walking their dog on the trail, etc… Really?!!?!?
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