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View Poll Results: Miles from what vehicles should count for purposes of Freezing Saddles?

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  • Allow miles by bicycles that are primarily motor-powered to count.

    5 5.43%
  • Allow miles by e-assist bicycles, but not by primarily electric bicycles, to count.

    36 39.13%
  • Not allow any miles by bikes with any sort of nonhuman power to count.

    51 55.43%
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    Quote Originally Posted by cvcalhoun View Post
    I started this poll to try to see if there was a consensus on the issue. However, I don't intend to go strictly by the numbers here. Unless things change markedly between now and December 24, barring disagreement by my co-organizers, I'm inclined to call this in favor of allowing ebikes but not ELFs (Elves?), on the following basis:

    • I don't think we should be changing previous rules, in a way that would disqualify beloved veterans, without a solid consensus rather than a simple majority.
    • The totals currently shown above don't reflect the fact that three people have changed their votes from a complete ban to allowing ebikes but not ELFs, so the vote is in fact almost even.
    • Everyone who has wanted to change a vote has done so in the direction of allowing ebikes, and has changed based on reading the discussion. This suggests to me that people who think and read more are likely in the pro-ebike camp, while some of the antis may just have voted on the poll without really reading.
    • Those who ride ebikes are more directly affected by the decision than the rest of us are, so their votes should be given a bit more weight.


    Amalitza has already indicated her intention to stay out of all decision-making. I'll consult with Sunyata and Hozn, who have been the other organizers, and then just let Amalitza know what decisions have been made.

    Although the poll hasn't formally closed, I think that after 11 days and 15 pages, it's time to call this one. While the organizers decided to act contrary to the (slight) majority in this instance for the reasons specified above, we certainly tried to take the overall discussion and poll into account in coming up with this year's rules.1/ So, with the concurrence of hozn and Sunyata, and the abstention of Amalitza, here's the verdict (which I will pass on to Amalitza for the sticky, although she need not include the footnotes): 2/

    1. The ELF is not allowed. 3/
    2. Miles in or on any vehicle which is incapable of being human-powered will not be counted. 4/
    3. Miles in or on any vehicle, other than an ELF, which is capable of being human-powered (with or without e-assist) will be counted. 5/


    1/ Let the record show that I abided by the results of the other two polls I did (on whether to let slackers use the regular registration form, and whether to have local teams), even though they were not what I would have preferred. If we'd had a real consensus here, I would have followed it.
    2/ Sorry, I'm a lawyer, I can't help speaking in footnotes.
    3/ There may or may not be a pointless prize for the best, or cleverest, or most sardonic idea for why we exclude either the vehicle or its driver, but the decision is final.
    4/ This would include cars (even Priuses! even ones driven in the Midwest without heat!), motorcycles, mopeds, Segways, hoverboards, teleport, etc. While we applaud any vehicle that saves energy and produces less in the way of toxic emissions than a normal car, not all of them are suitable for Freezing Saddles.
    5/ This is true regardless of the number of wheels, weight of the vehicle, power of the motor, or medical or other condition of the rider. Upright bikes (with or without training wheels), recumbent bikes, tricycles, or your kid's foot-powered scooter are all allowed. Unicycles are positively encouraged, if only for the amusement value.
    Last edited by cvcalhoun; 12-21-2015 at 06:19 AM.

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    Wait, I can sleaze ride a skateboard? This makes planning and packing for travel much easier.

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    It has to be an e-assist board

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShawnoftheDread View Post
    Wait, I can sleaze ride a skateboard? This makes planning and packing for travel much easier.
    Yes, you can. If anyone doesn't like that rule, s/he can contact next year's troika, err, organizers!

    Quote Originally Posted by jopamora View Post
    It has to be an e-assist board
    Reading comprehension FAIL! Of course, being a lawyer, I expect a lot of that.

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    So Amtrak miles don't count? I'm crushed.

    (Actually, I haven't even signed up, so disregard my posts. But I may be an occasional spectator and look at the leaderboard occasionally. That will be the extent of my participation. I'm just not a cold-weather person. Or a Strava person. Maybe someday before I retire.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShawnoftheDread View Post
    Wait, I can sleaze ride a skateboard? This makes planning and packing for travel much easier.
    I think that an e-assist skateboard would work as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjclaeys View Post
    I think that an e-assist skateboard would work as well.
    Yes, skateboards with or without e-assist are permitted. Although if I get many more questions regarding interpretation, I may have to assemble a beit din. And nobody wants that!

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    Hangon, hangon, hangon—does this mean that other Strava activities (ice skate, windsurf, roller ski, yoga, etc) can be counted? I think there's a can of worms that I may just have to exploit at some point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brünř Moore View Post
    Hangon, hangon, hangon—does this mean that other Strava activities (ice skate, windsurf, roller ski, yoga, etc) can be counted? I think there's a can of worms that I may just have to exploit at some point...
    Sigh! Yoga's definitely out, because you need to have traveled to have anything recorded. (Remember, trainer miles don't count, even if Strava counts them.) Windsurfing is out, because you're not human powering it. For everything else, you must use your best judgment as to whether something is a "vehicle," and is within the spirit of this contest. Attempts to exploit loopholes will be punished with public humiliation at the final happy hour.

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    You should have seen it when I put my toddler in an e-assist stroller. She was scared s***less. It was priceless...

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