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    Quote Originally Posted by DismalScientist View Post
    The poster stated it was "terrifying" riding near the ELF on the trail. I surmise the poster would find riding a bike on a busy road similarly terrifying. Personally I don't find any of these situations terrifying.
    There is a big difference between being on a typical roadway and being passed by a car (they are noisy, even the electric ones, and you expect it) and being on a bike path and being passed by an electric powered car (much quieter, not expected)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymo853 View Post
    No, but their owners, trainers, and riders (may not all be the same) should and are legally responsible for following the rules, even if they have never read them.
    You do realize the horse has a vote in what it does and occasionally will veto the rider

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    I've now had to pay three semesters of college tuition for the eldest of three offsrping. My yardstick for "terrifying" is broken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DismalScientist View Post
    While it would be hard to underestimate how little I care about the outcome of this conversation, I do find the hypocrisy of some of the posters stunning. While claiming to be terrified of riding near ELFman because of its size (300 lbs loaded) and speed (20-25 mph), the proposed remedy is to banish it to the streets. A loaded ELF is much closer to a bicycle than a car. Why wouldn't an ELF on a busy street not face a similar level of terror that the posters seem to claim?
    The elf has a plastic shell, head and taillights, brake lights, turn signals, is huge, has an electric motor, and requires a relatively high level of consideration/dedication to even own. To suggest that it's basically the same as riding a typical bike on the road seems disingenuous.

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    I guess he isn't going that fast if riders get stuck behind him. We saw him yesterday traveling the opposite direction.. He put his right wheel on the shoulder to let us by. A group of about fifteen rolling above the 15mph limit, two by two.

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    No motorized vehicles are allowed on the W&OD. It doesn't matter if they are emissions belching internal combustion motors or motors that run without emissions on fairy dust and unicorn sneezes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarBikeCar View Post
    I have a cycle analyst and a smart-phone app which I use for navigation. When stopped I review information on both screens. It is physically impossible to text and cycle, however, since applying power requires at least the right hand to be on the handlebars. The report of an ELF driver texting and driving is very likely fiction to support a meme.
    Nope. You were holding a phone (or similar electronic device and it looked cumbersome to drive while holding it, but you did avoid hitting me, so obviously not impossible. Bravo, I say!

    But, please, get off the trail. You aren't allowed on it and are obviously too large to share it. The streets are a perfect place to drive your vehicle.

    Edit: the streets are also a perfect place to ride a bicycle, but being small and agile affords bikes the option of safely using MUPs too. And a 34-mile daily commute is nothing you couldn't work up to riding -- good lord, HTFU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mstone View Post
    Yes, that's ridiculously low under some conditions, and ridiculously high under others. That's the real problem with an arbitrary limit: it's not helpful in actually addressing safety concerns, because the right answer is to use an appropriate speed. Good sight lines on an empty trail? Who cares how fast you go. Children's fun run day? You'd better not be trying to go between them at 15MPH. I'd love to see a dynamic limit based on visibility, utilization, weather conditions, nature of other users, etc. Sadly, that's not feasible.
    I agree with you, those limits are silly low at times and silly high at times, just like speed limits on roadways for automobiles. Yes trail users with concern for others would be best, and it what I do. I slow down to under 10 near: children, less than focused runners/walkers, anyone that appears less than fully able-ed, baby buggies ....

    But I as I an my dislocated shoulder and split knuckles can attest, that is a fantasy. It is also why my wife and I cannot ride the paths together, she says I am too careful and frustratingly slow.
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    Also, we should not paint all DC based ELF drivers the same as Ed Myers, this guy Howard in Bethesda uses his to commute on typical roadways nearly every day.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qivq...ature=youtu.be

    Organic Transit sent out the link after replying to one of my tweets about Ed.
    Last edited by Raymo853; 11-13-2015 at 10:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarBikeCar View Post
    I can reduce the width 6" by folding in the side mirrors, for example.
    You can see behind you well enough that you don't need to use the side mirrors while driving?

    Quote Originally Posted by SolarBikeCar View Post
    But if your objections are irrational and you want a rule applied only to the elf but not to any other user of the W&OD with similar characteristics (weight, height, speed, width) then the feedback isn't going to get much respect.
    I don't think there are a lot of trail users that meet all of your characteristics
    360 lbs
    5 ft high
    19 mph average speed
    4 ft wide
    9 ft long

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymo853 View Post
    Also, we should not paint all DC based ELF riders the same as Ed Myers, this guy Howard in Bethesda uses his to commute on typical roadways nearly every day.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qivq...ature=youtu.be

    Organic Transit sent out the link after replying to one of my tweets about Ed.
    Notice Howard also uses the verb 'drive' to describe what he does in his ELF. There was a CBS news report that highlighted the ELF, and it is never referred to as a bicycle. It's always a bike/car hybrid, or a bike with car like qualities. Even the CEO of Organic Transit, Rob Cotter, refers to it as a bicycle/car hybrid.

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