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Thread: while we're talking tires...good compromise between gravel and slick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFHokie View Post
    I just ordered a set of Schwalbe Marathon Mondial's. Anxious to see how they compare to the stock Bontrager's that came with the bike.
    Holy heavy tire! 580 grams. Eesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tania View Post
    Holy heavy tire! 580 grams. Eesh.
    Stock tires are 560. They're going on my commuter, so I'm anticipating I won't really notice the weight difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tania View Post
    I've ridden gators before and truly didn't notice any downside! May be due lack of saddle time compared to most of you.
    I think tires make a significant difference, but there are a number of variables and I'm sure the placebo effect is also strong

    I typically change two variables at once, but I definitely notice how sluggish a Durano feels after riding a GP4000S all summer (similar sizes). (But the Durano is a great winter tire and I would also choose that over a Gatorskin if looking for a durable tire.) I've also wiped out several times on wet pavement on Gatorskins; they have a reputation for poor grip in the wet, so I blame that.

    If you can't feel any difference riding a Gatorskin back-to-back with a GP4000S or something like a Schwalbe One, then definitely don't pay the extra $$ for the faster tires!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tania View Post
    My rims are tubeless ready (DT Swiss R24s) but I'm NOT - I don't have any workspace at home where I could deal with the potential mess. Plus, I weigh 115-120lb: I can run a pretty low pressure on gravel with no issues.
    So, tubeless really isn't too bad to setup. Yes, there is sealant and there is probably some soap and water needed when first mounting a set of tires. I just seat tubeless tires outside. Actually, I do all my bike work outside.

    The reasons to do road tubeless do include running lower pressures, but lower rolling resistance (at same pressures) is a significant motivator. Of course, if you don't feel any difference between different speed tires, then this is moot.

    Actually, the main reason I have decided that I love tubeless is that when I do flat there is no mystery about why. I hate trying to hunt for the thorn/wire/grit/whatever that flatted my tube and I hate, hate, hate putting in a new tube without being able to find out why the previous one flatted. The tiny punctures should just seal (at low enough pressures, anyway) with sealant and the big punctures will be obvious because they'll be spraying sealant etc. So no more mysteries. That alone is worth the cost of admission to me. I'm done with tubes. [Except for the two backup tubes I have to always carry on account of running tubeless. ]

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    I'm not a fan of Gatorskins either, although I do admit they are very puncture resistant. I like the Schwalbe Duranos, and I really liked the 23mm Hutchison Fusions I once ran, but they lasted only a couple thousand miles. I've never tried GP4000s although I've heard good things. Currently on my road bike I'm just going through whatever tires I have stockpiled for my rear, and keeping a 25 or 28mm that I like up front.

    For some reason I've gotten a lot of flats on the C&O over the years even just between Georgetown and Great Falls, including one recently on a 32mm cross tire. (I checked afterwards and it was not a pinch flat.)

    I think 28mm tires are a good compromise, although I'm the kind of rider who prefers to have wider rather than narrower tires for the purpose. In the winter I tend to ride file treads on the roads because of the yucky salt/sand, etc.

    I'm waiting for Clement's tubeless offerings to come out. Then I will probably pony up the cash for a MSO/USH tubeless for gravel and general road riding. My commute will be mostly disappearing by the end of the year so I won't have to worry as much about having a good commuter build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hozn View Post
    I'm still enjoying my Schwalbe One tubeless tires. They're fast. And yet they do seem very durable. (Duranos are also very durable & grippy, but noticeably slower rolling.) I would not be scared of riding gravel (esp. light gravel like the C&O) on these.
    I have just over 3k miles now on my Schwalbe One 28mm tubeless tires (on the commuter). These have officially qualified as "long-lasting" for me, for a tire that rides so nicely it's very impressive.

    No flats. Well, one almost flat. Thursday riding home, I rode right over something sharp (probably a rock) and immediately heard the familiar pst.pst.pst.pst as the wheel rolled. I figured I'd just keep riding it until it was too low to see if the sealant worked. The tire got down to around 40psi and then lo and behold the hole sealed!

    It looked like a 1-2mm gash, so I'm a little surprised sealant alone solved that problem. I stopped a little later and added air until it was back up around 60psi, figuring I wouldn't push my luck. I pumped it back up to 75-80psi at home and it's been holding fine since.

    That incident has sold me on the value of road tubeless. The tires roll fast, grip great, last a long time (compared to similar grade tire) and the tubeless adds real value.

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    Upon closer inspection, I think it is time to replace that tire...


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    Quote Originally Posted by hozn View Post
    I've also wiped out several times on wet pavement on Gatorskins; they have a reputation for poor grip in the wet, so I blame that.
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    That is my current dilemma. To the point where I prefer flats to the loss of confidence on wet roads. But I am new to this game, and past posts have mixed messages on optimal trade off.

    Any thoughts on:

    a) best grip while maintaining decent (i.e., above average, but does not need to be superhuman) puncture proofing?

    b) significantly better grip than (a), but will not pop due to simply riding over a pebble

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    I've not ridden them, but the Grand Prix 4 Season are supposed to be the GP and the Gatorskin love-child no?

    http://www.continental-tires.com/bic...-prix-4-season

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    To follow up on my original question, I went with the Clement USH 120's. However, since I've been banned from ever taking off my back wheel without proper LBS supervision, right now I'm running the heavier MSO 40's. At lower pressure (I run 40/45-ish for gravel) I can feel a difference on pavement but if I run them higher they're fine for commuting and general road riding while giving me the option of popping off into the gravel or just rolling over random things in my way such as sticks, rocks or wayward boy scouts.

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    My last pair of Gatorskins were great. Several thousand miles without a flat, no slipping issues, etc. They got replaced earlier this year and I've had two flats and a sidewall blown-out at the bead.

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