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Thread: while we're talking tires...good compromise between gravel and slick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymo853 View Post
    Amazing how often I come back to this thread. My rear 32 Sector 32 is on its last miles. Going to try a S-Works Turbo 28 for the front this time.
    I've been happy with the S-Works Turbo. They run a little small. I think on my fairly wide (21mm-internal) rims they measure right around 28mm. But easy to set up tubeless and, as one would hope, haven't had any issues / flats in the 1000ish miles I've ridden them -- which included some gravel on Poolesville road race. Can't say if they feel faster than Schwalbe Pro One, but certainly don't feel slower. This is a fast road tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoWheelsDC View Post
    So I think I'm giving up on the Schwalbe G-Ones and going back to the Clement X'Plor MSOs. I've now gotten large punctures on the rear tire twice in less than 1200 miles, both from riding through gravelly shoulder areas of the road. The one I got yesterday was pretty small, but I think the cold kept it from sealing and the tire went completely flat (it punctured in probably the last half mile of my commute) while sitting in the parking garage. The cold also caused the tire to shrink up when it lost air and my mini pump wasn't powerful enough to get it back on the bead. I'm going to bring the bike home and put a dynaplug in the hole and see how that goes, but I think I'm going to replace these tires with the Clements once they wear out or inevitably puncture again.

    The G-Ones seem great for actual gravel or clean pavement, but they just seem to be too soft to stand up to the type of gravel that tends to accumulate on the shoulders where I spend a decent amount of time during my commute. The Clements seemed much more durable in that regard, at the cost of a small amount of speed.

    Wish I'd read this thread before I bought some G-Ones!

    Can confirm I had exactly the same experience. Two flats in 6 weeks of riding. (I was using tubes.) The kicker is that I couldn't get the bead to seat when I changed the flats in the field. My LBS had suggested putting talcum powder on the tubes, which I did, but still found myself spending a day and a half on the Erie Canal towpath with a wobbly front tire. Normally I run tires for a long long time, but I gave up on these G-Ones and put on a pair of Marathon Supremes yesterday. The tires went on quickly and easily and my ride this morning was delightful. The marathons don't grab onto gravel nearly as well - they are touring road tires - so I guess I'm back in the market for a gravel tire to use next time I do a trip like C&O or Erie.

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    It's so odd to me that you guys have had problems with the G-Ones. Still by far my favorite serious gravel tire, though I am gonna try some Donnelly Strada USHs or similar for additional perspective now that they make their tires tubeless in larger sizes.

    But I have had zero flats on G-One tires and that includes 4 or 5 gravel races in addition to a fair number of single-track miles. This is the larger (700x38/40-622) size and always tubeless. These tires are super easy to setup tubeless. Anecdotally it does seem that Schwalbe tires can be tricky to snap beads onto rim shoulders when using tubes; they fit pretty snug. You can get a bead seater tool (or probably diy one) or maybe use furniture polish or similar lubricant. I just run them tubeless.

    I'm sure now I'll get a bunch of flats on these, but until then this still my unrivaled havier-duty off-road gravel tire (as opposed to Compass tires that are my favorite lighter-duty and large-volume pavement tire).

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    Quote Originally Posted by hozn View Post
    It's so odd to me that you guys have had problems with the G-Ones. Still by far my favorite serious gravel tire, though I am gonna try some Donnelly Strada USHs or similar for additional perspective now that they make their tires tubeless in larger sizes.

    But I have had zero flats on G-One tires and that includes 4 or 5 gravel races in addition to a fair number of single-track miles. This is the larger (700x38/40-622) size and always tubeless. These tires are super easy to setup tubeless.
    I'm equally enamored with my G-Ones (38c "all around" version), tubeless setup. No issues whatsoever in roughly ~1000 miles of use at this point. I actually got a fair-sized nick in the front tire, but the sealant went to work and it's held air with no issues since then on all kinds of terrain (country road gravel, towpath, etc.)

    My only gripe is that they seem to wear pretty fast. The center nubs are almost completely gone at this point. Thinking about picking up a pair of the new G-One bites as a replacement...

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    I just got done with a set of Maxxis Ramblers size 40. Almost exactly 4000 miles on em, probably not more than 200 miles of which was on gravel trails (lol sorry)
    They are tubeless ready tires but the bike came with tubes installed so I rolled with it that way.
    Tread on them still LOOKS fine and I quite liked their feel on and off the street, no problem keeping up with road bikes despite being noisy, but I got a flat every 500 miles or so from pretty rinky-dink road debris like miniscule shards of glass or mystery causes.

    I got tired of the regular flats so today I'm moving on to tubeless Donnellys after Bill recommended them. I'll review them after another 4000 miles or so?

    *Edit Just after riding the Donnelly ush tires home on the roads I can feel a big difference in how stayed and comfy these tires are over the ramblers, like getting out of a jeep and into a land rover. I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hozn View Post
    It's so odd to me that you guys have had problems with the G-Ones. Still by far my favorite serious gravel tire, though I am gonna try some Donnelly Strada USHs or similar for additional perspective now that they make their tires tubeless in larger sizes.

    But I have had zero flats on G-One tires and that includes 4 or 5 gravel races in addition to a fair number of single-track miles. This is the larger (700x38/40-622) size and always tubeless. These tires are super easy to setup tubeless. Anecdotally it does seem that Schwalbe tires can be tricky to snap beads onto rim shoulders when using tubes; they fit pretty snug. You can get a bead seater tool (or probably diy one) or maybe use furniture polish or similar lubricant. I just run them tubeless.

    I'm sure now I'll get a bunch of flats on these, but until then this still my unrivaled havier-duty off-road gravel tire (as opposed to Compass tires that are my favorite lighter-duty and large-volume pavement tire).
    I thought I posted this, but I actually ended up sticking with the G-Ones. After I had that series of problems, I was going to go back to my Clements. But this was during that insane cold snap this winter and I had trouble getting the Clements to seat, but after fussing with both pairs, the G-Ones did seat and the last puncture I'd gotten ended up staying sealed, so I decided to just not mess with them anymore. I also had one spare, so I figured I'd just keep them on until I used the spare...but I haven't had a problem since then, which makes me happy because I really do like them quite a bit better than the Clements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeprosyStudyGroup View Post
    I just got done with a set of Maxxis Ramblers size 40. Almost exactly 4000 miles on em, probably not more than 200 miles of which was on gravel trails (lol sorry)
    They are tubeless ready tires but the bike came with tubes installed so I rolled with it that way.
    Tread on them still LOOKS fine and I quite liked their feel on and off the street, no problem keeping up with road bikes despite being noisy, but I got a flat every 500 miles or so from pretty rinky-dink road debris like miniscule shards of glass or mystery causes.

    I got tired of the regular flats so today I'm moving on to tubeless Donnellys after Bill recommended them. I'll review them after another 4000 miles or so?

    *Edit Just after riding the Donnelly ush tires home on the roads I can feel a big difference in how stayed and comfy these tires are over the ramblers, like getting out of a jeep and into a land rover. I like it.
    Interesting. I have been riding Ramblers for the past three-ish years and have only had two flats (three if you could the time that my old sealant gave out and the hole unplugged and would not stay plugged). Both flats were totally my fault, not the tires (remember, Casey, 40mm tires are NOT mountain bike tires...). Granted, I run them tubeless. After DK200 this year, I actually looked closely at the tires and I can actually see a few nicks on the tires from the flint, but the sealant did its job and I never even noticed. (HUGE thanks to Dirt for the suggestion of ditching Stan's and running Finish Line sealant... Latex free and works like a charm!)

    I will probably stick with the Ramblers on my gravel bike since I have had such great luck with them. Plus, the tread is pretty darn perfect for the gravel riding that I do. If I rode that bike more on pavement, I would want something with a lower rolling resistance, though. They do kind of suck the life out of you on pavement, although that might have more to do with the pavement than the tires?

    Maxxis has come out with a new file tread type tire that is 40mm: the Re-fuse. I would not mind getting a set of those to try out. If anything they might make riding on pavement a bit more tolerable (but probably not).

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    Only had them about 6 months and don't ride the gravel bike as often as I'd like so maybe only a coupla hundred miles on them, but I'm really liking the Continental Cyclocross Speed clincher 35s. The file tread just rolls so much better on the pavement than the knobbies that were on before. I may try to leave these on next winter and see how they do in the snow rather than immediately switching back.

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    The real benefit to the G-One is the pavement performance. If I was riding 100% gravel, I would go for a knobbier tire (probably the Rambler, actually). But I always end up with a fair bit of pavement on gravel rides, and the G-One makes that fun. I wonder how they compare to the Strada USH.

    Not as nice as the Compass tires, though. Those are so fast on pavement but don't have much traction on gravel. Today I climbed a small mountain with Compass that had a few sections of gravel; steep climbs on loose gravel don't pair well with Compass but it worked out ok. They are still easily my favorite "pavement plus" tire.

    The only caveat to the Finish Line stuff is -- reportedly -- it won't seal up porous sidewalls. So probably not a good choice for some tires (e.g. Compass). Apparently you can also get it much cheaper when sold as a sealant for auto/motorsport use on (e.g.) Amazon. There are MTBR threads. I am intrigued to try this out on my road tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hozn View Post
    The only caveat to the Finish Line stuff is -- reportedly -- it won't seal up porous sidewalls. So probably not a good choice for some tires (e.g. Compass).
    I will let you know shortly. Once I actually buy that El Mar from Jan, I will need to swap out the tires (since the are 2.2's and I want 2.4's) and will use Finish Line on them. They are Nobby Nics, so notorious for their porous sidewalls.

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