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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunyata View Post
    Hmm. Interesting that the bill requires Class III operators to wear a helmet. I am curious to know how (or how often) that will be enforced.
    Also the new state law requires Class 3 ebikes to have a speedometer, but does not mention Class 1 & 2, whereas Arlington County regulations require all ebikes to have a speedo - that includes bikeshare so I'm hoping someone in the County sent a copy of the County requirements to Lyft/Motivate who are planning to redeploy a Capital Bikeshare ebike fleet this spring.

    Another state requirement from next year is a label indicating the ebike Class, continuous rated power in watts, & maximum speed setting in the controller:
    § 46.2-904.1
    C.1. On and after January 1, 2021, manufacturers and distributors of electric power-assisted bicycles shall permanently affix a label, in a prominent location, to each electric power-assisted bicycle that they manufacture or distribute. The label shall contain the classification number, top assisted speed, and motor wattage of the electric power-assisted bicycle and shall be printed in Arial font in at least nine-point type.
    D. No person shall tamper with or modify an electric power-assisted bicycle so as to change the motor-powered speed capability or engagement of an electric power-assisted bicycle, unless the label required by subdivision C 1 is replaced after modification.

    Class/power/speed labels/decals are fairly common now on ebikes sold through bike shops, but are sometimes absent from mail-order ebikes, and usually absent from e-bike kits. There are after-market retailers from whom you can purchase the labels eg Bolton. I am not a lawyer but my reading is a label from the manufacturer or distributor is only required at the point of sale, the rider can then apply a new label if they subsequently change the power/speed controller settings or add/remove a throttle to change the ebike Class, for example Juiced Bikes supply bikes in Class 2 configuration but provide instructions for changing the settings to a Class 3 and you can peel off the Class 2 label to reveal a Class 3 label underneath if so chosen. Ebikes with Bosch motors do not permit the rider to change the power/speed controller settings, Bosch have enabled software that detect if a rider tries to circumvent the settings by adding an after-market power/speed chip that disable the controller, brick the motor, and invalidate the warranty. Also the new state law requires all ebikes to have brake activated motor inhibitors, some kits don't come with them but they're easily available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewey View Post
    Arlington County regulations require all ebikes to have a speedo - that includes bikeshare
    I don't think this is correct. The only requirement for a speedometer is in Article X of section 14 (scroll way down in the pdf of just word search), which only applies to a "Mirco-Mobility Businesss", which is defined as:

    “Micro-Mobility Business” means the entity providing Micro-Mobility Devices for-hire. These Businesses rely on the right-of-way to store Micro-Mobility Devices for customer access and use. Micro-Mobility Businesses shall not include regional multi-jurisdictional or County provided shared transportation services.
    It clearly doesn't apply to private ownership and doesn't seem to apply to CaBi.

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    That's a relief, I was worried about the CaBi+ ebikes after the County just refused an operating permit to an e-bikeshare company for this reason, I think it was likely Helbiz who were granted a permit to operate in Alexandria.
    The County will need to revise the Code to reflect the new 750W power limit.
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    Lighter ebikes

    This week ebike forums have been abuzz with chatter about the Specialized Turbo Vado SL, a lighter fitness/commuter/road ebike with a Class 3 speed pedelec mid-drive motor and smaller batteries. ebikes are not known for lightness and those are typically more expensive models such as the Specialized Turbo Creo SL or boutique brands like Desiknio, Coboc, etc. Less expensive lighter ebike models have removed weight by using less powerful Class 1 motors (eg Propella), or fragile all-in-one hub motors, or have been decontented, or simply convert light bicycles like BikeFriday's 20" folders. The Specialized Turbo Vado SL is an offering from one of the big three sold in bike shops that brings technology from the pricier Turbo Creo models such as a through-axle carbon fork, 'future shock' suspension headset on the more expensive 5.0, and a motor/internal battery setup that adds 10lb. Mail order competitors using the Bafang M800 mid-drive will appear over the summer.

    In other news, from September DC based ebike brand Riide will offer a regular heavier 2nd generation Class 3 single speed model under their lease-to-own scheme.
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    DC journalist Gordon Chaffin's review of the Riide 2nd gen ebike.

    https://streetjustice.substack.com/p...e-bike-from-dc

    https://youtu.be/2c7BmfQFWI4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewey View Post
    Lighter ebikes

    This week ebike forums have been abuzz with chatter about the Specialized Turbo Vado SL, a lighter fitness/commuter/road ebike with a Class 3 speed pedelec mid-drive motor and smaller batteries. ebikes are not known for lightness and those are typically more expensive models such as the Specialized Turbo Creo SL or boutique brands like Desiknio, Coboc, etc. Less expensive lighter ebike models have removed weight by using less powerful Class 1 motors (eg Propella), or fragile all-in-one hub motors, or have been decontented, or simply convert light bicycles like BikeFriday's 20" folders. The Specialized Turbo Vado SL is an offering from one of the big three sold in bike shops that brings technology from the pricier Turbo Creo models such as a through-axle carbon fork, 'future shock' suspension headset on the more expensive 5.0, and a motor/internal battery setup that adds 10lb. Mail order competitors using the Bafang M800 mid-drive will appear over the summer.

    In other news, from September DC based ebike brand Riide will offer a regular heavier 2nd generation Class 3 single speed model under their lease-to-own scheme.
    28mph. Sounds really practical.

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    Helbiz ebikeshare has lost its bike supplier after Mahindra shut down the Genze electric bike & scooter operation Michigan https://electrek.co/2020/06/14/genze...de-in-america/

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    Helbiz to operate 100 scooters in Arlington, announces plan to expand DC ebikeshare fleet to 2,000, though no word yet on who will be their new ebike supplier. Source, https://wtop.com/business-finance/20...on-alexandria/

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    So, ALXNOW (the little sibling to ARLNOW) did a piece last week on ebikes, quoting the guy from Pedego about sales.

    Some commenter said "well at a minimum price of $2000, these are luxuries for the affluent, not transportation for working class people"

    Somehow the message that there are auto replacements did not get through.

    When I pointed out how much cheaper this was compared to even a small used car, someone else said "Well okay, let's apply the personal property tax to them". Oy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordofthemark View Post
    So, ALXNOW did a piece last week on ebikes
    This article? I see what you mean about the comments, sigh

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