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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewey View Post
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    It is an odd op-ed. The writer clearly doesn't like e-bikes on MUPs, but doesn't give any solid reasons other than an oblique reference to safety. He seems more concerned about an unholy alliance of bike and auto manufacturers (who would've thought) and there not being a sufficient effort to find out what non-ebilke cyclists think about e-bikes on MUPs.

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    Thought experiment: if federal law required e-bikes to emit the sound of a two-stroke Puch Maxi moped, would you support allowing their use on multi-use paths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyRider View Post
    Thought experiment: if federal law required e-bikes to emit the sound of a two-stroke Puch Maxi moped, would you support allowing their use on multi-use paths?
    If federal law required non-e-bikes to emit the sound of a two-stroke Puch Maxi moped, would you support allowing their use on multi-use paths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewey View Post
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    There's been a spirited love-fest of ebikes on the Women & Bikes listserve. Many, if not most, of the women there are in the coveted "interested but concerned" category. And they universally support allowing ebikes on trails, while focusing on policing behavior of everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewey View Post
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    But advocates offer no data demonstrating the demand or explaining why there isnít enough paved roadway where motorized vehicles already are legal.
    Seriously, dude? Let's see who uses e-bikes?

    * Pregnant women.
    * People using box bikes to carry small children.
    * 80-year-olds who can't make it up those steep hills.

    None of these people would be safe on the roads.

    We have MUPs in the first place because:

    * Bikes can't keep up with traffic.
    * In a crash involving a car and a bike, the bike loses.
    * People on quiet vehicles that don't pollute want to escape the noise and pollution of auto traffic.
    * We want to encourage use of vehicles that don't pollute the way cars do.

    Every one of these things is equally true of e-bikes.

    The author seems to have confused an e-bike with a moped. But federal law already distinguishes between a vehicle that is mostly foot-powered, is no more noisy than a bike, and can only go about 20 miles per hour (which many can exceed without e-assist) and a moped. I wouldn't have an issue with also banning enclosed vehicles (e.g., the Elf) from the MUPs, because they do create more problems than regular bikes. I see no reason at all to ban other e-bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasgeh View Post
    If federal law required non-e-bikes to emit the sound of a two-stroke Puch Maxi moped, would you support allowing their use on multi-use paths?
    Now, now, I asked first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasgeh View Post
    If federal law required non-e-bikes to emit the sound of a two-stroke Puch Maxi moped, would you support allowing their use on multi-use paths?
    I did that once... playing cards clamped to fork with clothespin.

    Said at the risk of giving your kids ideas...

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    I'm totally down with e-bikes for pregnant women, seniors, and moms and dads. But my personal, anecdotal, unrepresentative sample of one says, every time I see one on a MUP, its a Gearcrusher. I would really like to see actual market research on who is buying e-bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starduster View Post
    I did that once... playing cards clamped to fork with clothespin.

    Said at the risk of giving your kids ideas...
    Yup! 1987 Topps baseball cards worked pretty well for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyRider View Post
    I'm totally down with e-bikes for pregnant women, seniors, and moms and dads. But my personal, anecdotal, unrepresentative sample of one says, every time I see one on a MUP, its a Gearcrusher. I would really like to see actual market research on who is buying e-bikes.
    What does it matter? If someone is riding responsibly on an ebike, why does it matter whether it's a pregnant woman, a mom with a kid, a mom who dropped a kid off, or a woman who just choose ebike that day? If someone is riding irresponsibly, why does it matter whether the bike is assisted or not, or the person is "worthy" of assist or not?

    It's the behavior, not the bike.

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