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    Quote Originally Posted by mstone View Post
    It doesn't, really. Just like speeding from stoplight to stoplight in a car doesn't really help you drive a few blocks in the city any faster, being able to go twice as fast on a short trip isn't going to make much difference compared to other factors (locking up, waiting for lights, etc.) If you want an ebike to save time, the distance has to be long enough for the difference in moving time to be a significant portion of the overall time.
    You're statement is true on the flat, but when you factor in hills, I think ebikes can make a significant difference in time even on trips that are shorter. Plus, the decreased effort makes it easier to dress for an ebike ride, and just makes the ride easier.

    Take, for example, the ride from our house to our church -- about a mile, and includes the dip from ASFS/Hayes Park to Kirkwood and back up to Lyon Village. Takes about 8 minutes on a dutch-style bike, 5 on an ebike, and on the ebike I don't have to wear special clothes or show up sweaty.

    PS. this thread reminds me the need to ask whether huskerdont is the CM...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasgeh View Post

    PS. this thread reminds me the need to ask whether huskerdont is the CM...
    Not sure what CM is here (coffee isn't helping today), but I can tell you I am not the County Manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huskerdont View Post
    Not sure what CM is here (coffee isn't helping today), but I can tell you I am not the County Manager.
    I can vouch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NovaEbike View Post
    My bike is a Juiced Cross Current. They don't make it anymore, but now have the Cross Current S which is better/upgraded. It's a good bike at a really good price compared to the e-bikes you see in store around here. The downside is that you have to buy direct and with no dealer network on this coast, after-sales support can be tough, but it's getting better.
    I liked the original Cross Current, and the ODK cargo ebike it's a pity it looks like Tora isn't getting those in anymore as the small wheel size and step-through frame meant it fit shorter people. However I wish Tora hadn't specced the controller on the latest batch Cross Current S to have an off-road unlimited setting, the publicity video on the Juiced website demonstrating 31mph performance is at odds with labelling them with the Class 3 decal which is defined as <28mph. FLX are behaving similarly claiming 30mph performance then print 'where laws permit' get-out wording on their website, the EBR review on the FLX Roadster has them struggling over this saying it falls into an undefined Class 4 category which just muddies the water further. Those ebikes are capable of speeds that fall into the moped/motor-driven-cycle category under most states law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dasgeh View Post
    You're statement is true on the flat, but when you factor in hills, I think ebikes can make a significant difference in time even on trips that are shorter[...]Take, for example, the ride from our house to our church -- about a mile, and includes the dip from ASFS/Hayes Park to Kirkwood and back up to Lyon Village. Takes about 8 minutes on a dutch-style bike, 5 on an ebike, and on the ebike
    I guess we can agree to disagree on whether 3 minutes is a significant amount of time. I'm going to go with "no", and that a person could save way more than 3 minutes of their life by not looking at the bikearlington forum on a given day if they're that pressed for extra minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstone View Post
    I guess we can agree to disagree on whether 3 minutes is a significant amount of time. I'm going to go with "no", and that a person could save way more than 3 minutes of their life by not looking at the bikearlington forum on a given day if they're that pressed for extra minutes.
    3 minutes is significant when you're already late. Or when you have kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewey View Post
    I liked the original Cross Current, and the ODK cargo ebike it's a pity it looks like Tora isn't getting those in anymore as the small wheel size and step-through frame meant it fit shorter people. However I wish Tora hadn't specced the controller on the latest batch Cross Current S to have an off-road unlimited setting, the publicity video on the Juiced website demonstrating 31mph performance is at odds with labelling them with the Class 3 decal which is defined as <28mph. FLX are behaving similarly claiming 30mph performance then print 'where laws permit' get-out wording on their website, the EBR review on the FLX Roadster has them struggling over this saying it falls into an undefined Class 4 category which just muddies the water further. Those ebikes are capable of speeds that fall into the moped/motor-driven-cycle category under most states law.
    I expect this sort of thing to get worse, since people purchasing e-bikes are often doing so for speed, and the technology is getting better and cheaper which allows higher speeds at lower costs.

    Which is the core of why the whole "class rating" for legalistic reasons is utterly pointless. Manufacturers can call anything "class whatever" and claim its limited, and then have a "wink wink offroad use only" setting that disables the limiter and allows people to go as fast as they want.

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    I thought I'd share, I first came across adult kick scooters using bicycle components when driving through Lancaster County Pennsylvania where the Amish use them. Sure enough you can now buy them with an ebike hub motor, or if you own huskies sled dog powered, which do you think would get to the top of a hill first

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    A Pedego dealer Todd Ketch recently opened in Alexandria. He will be on a panel at the 2018 National Bike Summit in March in DC talking about the ebike industry effort to encourage states to adopt the 3-tier ebike classification.
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    An ebike passed me this morning on the MVT, called their pass politely and passed safely. About a third of the conventional cyclists who passed me failed to do the same. Neat about ebike rental in Old Town although I can hear the naysayers howling about them and stop signs.

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