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    I am not following this thread but
    * ebikes already are on the trails
    * I havent ever seen an ebike speed - I see them going faster than me (but that doesnt say much) (in fact, the only speeders I ever see are the Spandex Kings)
    * Fed ebike rules are a great guide.
    * ebikes permit people to ride who could not otherwise ride (like they are getting older, like me)
    * Yes, more bikes the better.
    * Nope, it aint my trail. I share it with everyone in the community. I am THRILLED to see so many people on it.

    Not everyone is a 28 year old fit male. Digging up the Custis Trail is a barrier to a lot of people. Distance can be a barrier to a lot of people. An ebike lets people bike who could not otherwise be bike commuters.

    Seems like a great idea... I assume at some point as I get older, in order to keep bike commuting, I will be on an ebike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnva View Post
    Forum: Commuters
    Thinking about riding to work? Or maybe doing some errands around town? Figure out what to wear and how to carry your belongings.


    Isn't that what this means? Using a bike instead of a car to commute?
    the question is whether it's a good idea to have your preferred kind of vehicle on the trails. you obviously have your opinion, others obviously have theirs, and the thread is just looping at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstone View Post
    the question is whether it's a good idea to have your preferred kind of vehicle on the trails. you obviously have your opinion, others obviously have theirs, and the thread is just looping at this point.
    Looping - ok whatever... My preferred vehicle on the trail happens to be no vehicle. I do most of my running on the wod. My second preferred vehicle is a bike, just like most others on this forum. For commuting, it's my ebike. I don't think I'm alone here, like I said before I'm just trying to add some sense to some of these posts that may be discouraging people from bike commuting who could easily do it with an ebike.

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    I found this site helpful for all things ebike: http://www.electricbike.com/watt-hours/

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    Ebikes.ca also has a lot of good info - they have a motor simulator that will tell you the range based on battery and controller.

    Also, I've given up on having any shop build or modify anything on my ebike. I know it's probably not what you want to hear dasgeh (I just read the box bike thread) but I do repairs and maintenance myself. I spent a lot of time trying to find a shop to simply build a wheel with a motor, and ended up doing it myself. Ebikes.ca has a spoke calculator and will cut custom size spokes.

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    Man I am seeing ebikes on the trail every day now.... and not just our resident Cherrydale Cheater. I loathe them so much.... Is loathe the right word??? I think the right word is jealous. Envious??? Hum, how many of the deadly sins can I commit each time an ebike goes bike?

    Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Bike
    Last edited by rcannon100; 04-17-2013 at 07:38 PM. Reason: because I an an IDIOT that's why!! GEEZE!

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    I'm pretty sure that the free-rider analysis of the car/bike relationship has been posted before:

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2013...-hate-cyclists

    Reading this thread I have to think that something similar is going on with ebikes vs bikes- irrational and visceral reaction to the unencumbered use of a shared resource.

    Discuss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyContinental View Post
    Reading this thread I have to think that something similar is going on with ebikes vs bikes- irrational and visceral reaction to the unencumbered use of a shared resource.
    Ignoring the pejorative characterization, I think there's a very rational fear of idiots going too fast on the trails, making them more dangerous for everyone. There are too many of those already, but their numbers are limited by the physical demands. There is a potential for technology to make every idiot SUV driver on the road into an idiot electric motorcycle driver on the trails. The counterarguments seem to be that 1) it's impossible because the technology doesn't permit that and 2) the law doesn't permit that. My response is that technology improves--and a ton of money is being invested into fundamental research for improved batteries--and that those improvements will eventually eliminate the real limitation that currently exists, and that it is extremely unlikely that law enforcement will have the capability/resources/desire to enforce legal distinctions between different kinds of electric motorcycles. It seems inevitable to me that in the long term if you allow motorized vehicles on a long MUP you will eventually have serious issues with inappropriate speeds. I suppose you could instead attempt to address that with speed limits & enforcement, but that hasn't worked out very well on the roads.

    I'd also argue that the need to use the trails is much less with an electric motorcycle--just take the lane instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstone View Post
    Ignoring the pejorative characterization
    Wow. Chill. The quoted statement was a rehash of the typical free-rider reaction to anything- i.e. that it is irrational and visceral.

    There is posolutely an element of the free-rider problem here and you looking for expanded scope of the current problem based on future tech developments is exactly the sort of reaction that drivers have over bike infrastruture development. Guess what, regulations develop in response to development, rarely the other way around. Right now, given current tech ebikes are not a problem if/when they become a problem hopefully there will be a community-informed regulatory process that results in something like "no ebike over x hp is allowed on MUTs".

    For the record, I really don't have any skin in this game and I'm done here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstone View Post
    It seems inevitable to me that in the long term if you allow motorized vehicles on a long MUP you will eventually have serious issues with inappropriate speeds. I suppose you could instead attempt to address that with speed limits & enforcement, but that hasn't worked out very well on the roads.

    I'd also argue that the need to use the trails is much less with an electric motorcycle--just take the lane instead.
    Basically my thoughts. I personally think e-bikes are pretty awesome, but I'm a bit wary of altering the rules to allow them on MUPs. Today they aren't particularly fast and are a bit of a niche item, but its fairly inevitable that they'll get faster and cheaper. Rules about max speed and motor power would be really hard to enforce.

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