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    I have been doing a lot of hills lately and my knees are starting to act up. Help me out for I forget, if the pain is in the front, move the seat back or front? (high cadence bees happening)
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    The seat height matters too.

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    I developed knee pain when I switched pedals and hadn’t got the angle for the new cleats nailed down quite right. Toes in/heels out too far resulted in outside front of knee pain. Slight cleat adjustment eliminated pain.

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    The pedal float can also affect your knees. Less float provides more stability and maybe a little more power, but it can also be more risky for overuse injuries. You'll have to find the right balance between float and stability along with the other bike fit settings.

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    thanks for the response. I recently took the bike apart to ship and I forgot to measure where the saddle was on the seat post. Ill fool around with it.

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    Recommended: http://www.amazon.com/Pruitts-Comple.../dp/1931382808

    If the pain is in the front move your seatpost up (higher). Most (all?) of my knee pain has been attributed to seatpost too low. When your hips start rocking you'll get pain above your hips or perhaps in the back of the knee; move it down in that case

    The setback vs. knee-over-pedal-spindle (KOPS) is also a consideration, though I don't know if this is a specific contributor to knee pain. But there's definitely a right place [for you] wrt to KOPS. Use a plumb line and measure from tip of saddle behind BB. I have found the online fit calculators -- e.g. competitive cyclist -- do a good job of telling *me* where to put my saddle (once configured with my various body dimensions).

    Finally, probably worth mentioning that many fit issues don't manifest themselves until you start pushing yourself harder. Of course it makes perfect sense, but probably still worth pointing out; fine-tuned bike fit doesn't matter much for short/infrequent riding, but really starts to matter when you up the miles or make the rides more demanding.

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    Reviving an old thread cause I got the bees!

    I recently got new shoes. The same brand as another pair but half a size smaller. I put on the cleats using the older shoes as a guide but something is off. It’s patella pain, which I know well from years of volleyball. Amalitza suggested maybe heels out too far. Any other thoughts??
    Last edited by creadinger; 06-13-2018 at 09:19 AM. Reason: Clarity

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    I found an easy and reliable method of aligning SPD cleats by using a plastic ruler that eliminates guess work:

    1. Get a plastic ruler, and align it to the bottom of the SPD cleat as shown in the picture below.
    2. Locate the center of the heel(Red X in the photo).
    3. Adjust SPD cleat, so X is at center of ruler.

    Image source: This Wikipedia article. In the picture, the cleat is slightly misaligned, so it needs to be rotated slightly clockwise.

    Any plastic ruler works, but you might want to get this one(Use coupon code in their home page to get 50% off by showing it to the cashier on your smartphone).

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    Quote Originally Posted by n18 View Post
    I found an easy and reliable method of aligning SPD cleats by using a plastic ruler that eliminates guess work:

    1. Get a plastic ruler, and align it to the bottom of the SPD cleat as shown in the picture below.
    2. Locate the center of the heel(Red X in the photo).
    3. Adjust SPD cleat, so X is at center of ruler.

    Image source: This Wikipedia article. In the picture, the cleat is slightly misaligned, so it needs to be rotated slightly clockwise.

    Any plastic ruler works, but you might want to get this one(Use coupon code in their home page to get 50% off by showing it to the cashier on your smartphone).

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    the cleat alignment kinda depends on your feet/knees--if I rode a couple of miles with my cleats aligned like you describe, I wouldn't be able to walk the next day. what you're calling "wrong" in the picture is likely correct for the person wearing the shoes.

    a good starting point for alignment is to sit on something where your feet can just dangle and see which way they point; set the cleats so that your feet point at the same angle relative to the pedals as they did to the edge of the thing you sat on. many (most?) people will find that their feet don't point exactly straight ahead.

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    Consider cleats with more float: Speedplay frogs

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