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Thread: Issue on 4 Mille Run trail just before Mount Vernon

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    Wink Issue on 4 Mille Run trail just before Mount Vernon

    I've reported this to Arlington County with the links mentioned in this forum but for any frequent commuters or casual riders, it might be good to get another few comments or reports into them.

    "I'm a daily bike commuter from my home in Alexandria to my office in Rosslyn, VA. I use a variety of road bike lanes, roads, and bike paths to get to work. There is a problem area on the Four Mile Run stretch that I wanted to bring to your attention and recommend an improvement for safety and water quality.

    At this approximate location on Google Maps (38.841183, -77.050022),

    https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-...ed=0CC8Q8gEwAA

    you can find rocks, dirt, mud, and debris from where people tramp down to the trail from Potomac Ave. As this road and areas continues to develop, more people use this unapproved path to access Four Mile Run trail. As a result, bike tires are punctured by loose rocks and dirt (not to mention slipping on the loose dirt and stones) and debris wash into Four Mile Run contributing to poor water quality.

    I don't know if a path or stairs with a fence would be a good alternative but I imagine you've got some wonderful engineers and landscape architects in your employ who can help with a much-needed solution.

    I appreciate your time and concern.

    Regards,
    Jasen"

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    There are plans to build that desire path into an actual trail, but they're not going to be doing it anytime soon. I know it's been mentioned on this forum before, but I will update my post when I find the thread about the plans.

    (EDIT) Okay, found it! Here's the thread with more details: http://bikearlingtonforum.com/showth...s-in-the-works
    Last edited by bobco85; 07-09-2013 at 11:26 AM. Reason: found link

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    Some updates to that thread that bobco linked:

    When the railroad viaduct comes down this year, the contractor will be installing a temporary connection. The temporary connection will, I understand, definitely involve a ridiculous and convoluted set of ADA-compliant ramps and may also include a bicycle staircase. *crosses fingers*

    The actual, permanent, for reals trail connection is beginning design and won't be built until probably 2016.

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    Default Updates from Arlington/Alexandria with detailed plans

    Hello Jasen,
    The situation at this location is actually about to get improved. Probably before the end of the year. As part of a redevelopment project on the south side of the run, one of the bridges over Four Mile Run is being demolished, which will likely put this section of the Four Mile Run trail out of service for part of that time. Their approved detour involves construction of a temporary ADA compliant switchback ramp, along with a set of stairs at the location of the current eroding footpath. The stairs will also include a rail installed along the steps to facilitate rolling bikes up and down that slope. As Kevin mentioned, these improvements will be located within the City of Alexandria, which is responsible for permitting and oversight of the project.

    David J Goodman - RA, AICP
    Bicycle & Pedestrian Programs Manager
    2100 Clarendon Boulevard, suite 900
    Arlington, VA 22201
    703.228.3709

    From: Kevin Stalica On Behalf Of Trails
    Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:33 AM
    To: Farmer, Jasen (US - Arlington)
    Cc: Raynard Clemons; Jason Papacosma; David Goodman; David Patton (dpatton@i-c.net); Lisa.jaatinen@alexandriava.gov
    Subject: RE: Trail issue, erosion

    Jasen,

    Thank you for writing about the hill near the Four Mile Run Trail perpendicular to Potomac Avenue. This area has been problematic for a long time as you have observed. Increased density in the area has exacerbated the issue with increased foot traffic over the last few years. You may be surprised to learn that this site is not Arlington County property. It is officially in the City of Alexandria. Although Arlington maintains the trail through this section, any alterations to the area would be primarily a function of Alexandria or possibly a coordination between the two jurisdictions. New construction of steps or ramps requires that they be ADA accessible. The topography at this location is so extreme that ADA access may not be practical. Funding would also need to be found. The most expeditious solution may be blocking existing footpaths to let vegetation grow back and stop erosion. There are existing connections but not in the same spot. If a new connection is made, a different entry point is recommended. I have copied my colleagues on this message in case they have other information to share.

    I hope we will eventually find a solution to this problem. Meanwhile, my crew will continue to clean the trail of any debris.

    Kevin Stalica
    Park Service Area Manager / Trails Manager / CPSI
    Arlington County Parks and Natural Resources

    A 2700 S Taylor St, Arlington, VA 22206
    T 703-228-7743
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    Speaking of bridge/viaduct demolition...

    "The Four Mile Run Joint Task Force cordially invites you to a ceremonial start of bridge demolition at Four Mile Run as part of the Four Mile Run Restoration Plan on Monday, July 22, 2013 at 10:00 a.m. The event will be held on the north side of the westernmost bridge between Route One and Potomac Avenue. Please park along Potomac Avenue and walk to the event site. This event will be held rain or shine."

    http://www.novaregion.org/index.aspx?NID=216

    Progress!

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    Arlington and Alexandria had a joint ceremonial beginning of the bridge demolition for one of the abandoned railroad bridges across Four Mile Run. The plan is to take the big RR bridge out that is closest to US Route 1. The schedule was not announced today but it will be happening soon.



    This rendering is looking east towards the river.



    This shows the US Route 1 bridge on the left and the Potomac on the right. The bridges (from left to right) are US Route 1, a ped bridge that will remain, a RR bridge that will become a over the water park, Potomac Ave (with the trees), the remaining operational RR and WMATA bridge "blended" together (I'd suggest that is an artifact of the rendering and not a plan) and the GWMP bridge.

    The rendering shows a bike path from the upper level down to the trail on the east side of Route 1, a feature that will make travel to/from the Crystal City area much easier.



    Congressman Moran helped with attention and funding. The Mayor of Alexandria and Jay Fisette also attended. All indicated the biking facilities along FMR were a key aspect of the project.

    Additional details at: http://www.arlnow.com/2013/07/22/dem...ge/#more-80774
    Last edited by dbb; 07-22-2013 at 07:53 PM.

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    On Friday a contractor was installing a fence along the 4MRT perhaps in preparation for the planned demolition of the bridge and the construction of the new path connecting Potomac Avenue to the 4MRT. The fence blocks the desire path, but has not stopped users of the path. This morning, I saw a woman climbing over the fence to get on to the 4MRT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyKane50 View Post
    ...The fence blocks the desire path, but has not stopped users of the path. This morning, I saw a woman climbing over the fence to get on to the 4MRT...
    Yeah, the fence was bent even more flat there as of yesterday evening. This morning the crew had straightened it back up and strung red tape between taller fence posts. There was also a backhoe starting to do something along the side of the bridge.

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    This morning the contractor was finishing up installing a taller fence. I stopped to take a couple of pictures and got a chance to speak to one of the crew. Work will start either later today or Monday to install the bike path and staircase He thought that the work would take 4 weeks to complete. The bike path will zigzag up the hill and the staircase will come down along the Potomac Avenue bridge.

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    So is the path going to be like the S Curve of Doom on the Custis at the Lyon Village Shopping Center?

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