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    Default Bike trail at Jefferson - Part 3 of 3

    The two crosswalks (the first is by the CaBi docks and the second is further east) have straight box style curb cuts. We discussed the potential for replacing them with a flared curb cut similar to the ones across East Basin Drive. Thoughts?



    If you’ve not noticed, as you come down from the bridge you see no signs or notices that tell you that East Basin Drive is a one-way street. I’d hazard a guess the lack of signs would be grounds for dismissing any tickets for salmoning to the east. They may take the existing signs (that tell the two park police officers that park across the street the road is one-way) and install signs facing the cyclists. Look at the first photo in the "1 of 3" posting in this series.



    I highlighted the challenges with crossing East Basin Drive and getting on the sidewalk during tourist season. We discussed the possibility for converting the “no standing or stopping” parking area into a 15th Street cycletrack style bike lanes. The cycletrack would extend for the block and would deliver cyclists to the curb cut east of the Jefferson driveway. For that to work would require active enforcement regarding the “No stopping or standing” prohibition.



    Another idea to deconflict the trail in front of the Jefferson (that one block) was to extend the asphalt trail on the point of land between East Basin Drive and the I-395 on ramp. While it would reduce salmoning in front of the memorial, it would push the crosswalk to a location with slightly reduced sightlines. It is shown in the Google sat photo as a crudely drawn line.

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    I agree that the curbing/transition and parked vehicles are the worst hazards here. The transitions are also very slick when wet. I would like to see a two way bike lane from that transition all the way to the crosswalk near the entrance to Hains Point, continuing to the Case bridge path, but I don't expect that to happen. Thanks for tackling this and fir asking for input.

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    Those square curb cuts are getting very popular, which is annoying. Whatever agency approved them nationally really needs to go back to the drawing board. I think they're the cheapest option, which it's why the road people like them, but they just don't work well.

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    This is what I had in mind, a modification of dbb's design.

    Here's what I came up with:Click image for larger version. 

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    Considering that the path would be mostly used by cyclists who would inevitably cross the street diagonally, I changed the crosswalk with that in mind. There would also be no reason to have the middle crosswalk, so I photoshopped that out. I also sent the path around the tree, whatever that weird gas line looking thing is, and the gutter drain. My only concern would be with the sight lines for people traveling westward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobco85 View Post
    This is what I had in mind, a modification of dbb's design.

    Here's what I came up with:
    Ladies and gentlemen of the forum. I stand humbled before you at the awesomeness of Bobco85's drawing prowess! He captured the idea far more elegantly than my earlier attempt.

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    I am only an occasional Jefferson Memorial area rider so I defer to the wisdom of others. However, HUGE THANKS to dbb for his persistence, patience and attention to this longstanding and thorny problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobco85 View Post
    This is what I had in mind, a modification of dbb's design.

    Here's what I came up with:Click image for larger version. 

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    Considering that the path would be mostly used by cyclists who would inevitably cross the street diagonally, I changed the crosswalk with that in mind. There would also be no reason to have the middle crosswalk, so I photoshopped that out. I also sent the path around the tree, whatever that weird gas line looking thing is, and the gutter drain. My only concern would be with the sight lines for people traveling westward.
    I think this increases the hazard for people heading westward. You still have oncoming pedestrians & cyclists coming along the sidewalk next to the concrete barrier. Now instead of being able to check that the near lane of the parkway is clear, then ride a block where you can double-check that second lane, instead you have to check that both lanes are clear because you are forced across right at that point. As you mention the sight lines are bad there. Thus, coming westward, I would still want to use the "middle crosswalk" that you are "removing". Coming eastward I would take your proposed new route. It solves the problem of choosing between getting on the sidewalk or salmoning, and as you ride eastward you have plenty of time to check that the oncoming parkway is clear (and can check for pedestrians and bikes on the other side of the road as you ride along).

    I never noticed that there is no signage indicating that it's a one-way road, but that's probably a good idea to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickBull View Post
    I think this increases the hazard for people heading westward. You still have oncoming pedestrians & cyclists coming along the sidewalk next to the concrete barrier. Now instead of being able to check that the near lane of the parkway is clear, then ride a block where you can double-check that second lane, instead you have to check that both lanes are clear because you are forced across right at that point. As you mention the sight lines are bad there. Thus, coming westward, I would still want to use the "middle crosswalk" that you are "removing". Coming eastward I would take your proposed new route. It solves the problem of choosing between getting on the sidewalk or salmoning, and as you ride eastward you have plenty of time to check that the oncoming parkway is clear (and can check for pedestrians and bikes on the other side of the road as you ride along).

    I never noticed that there is no signage indicating that it's a one-way road, but that's probably a good idea to have.

    Nick
    Maybe there could be sharrows in the right lane from the Maine/15th intersection (that is in dire need of road work) to East Basin Dr to account for people heading west like this: Bike sharrows.

    It might make it easier for westbound cyclists to get into the left part of the lane to be in position to get on the trail.

    That said, the part I hate about this is that eastbound cyclists are still going to end up on the sidewalk going opposite vehicular traffic a few feet away.

    P.S. - @dbb, thank you for your kind words. I will try and continue this for other projects because, really, playing in Photoshop is fun for me, and I like to help in the ways I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbb View Post
    The two crosswalks (the first is by the CaBi docks and the second is further east) have straight box style curb cuts. We discussed the potential for replacing them with a flared curb cut similar to the ones across East Basin Drive. Thoughts?
    No brainer. NPS please fix!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbb View Post
    If youve not noticed, as you come down from the bridge you see no signs or notices that tell you that East Basin Drive is a one-way street. Id hazard a guess the lack of signs would be grounds for dismissing any tickets for salmoning to the east. They may take the existing signs (that tell the two park police officers that park across the street the road is one-way) and install signs facing the cyclists. Look at the first photo in the "1 of 3" posting in this series.
    Another no brainer. I've seen tourists accidentally go the wrong way.

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