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Thread: Armstrong fallout could extend to Olympic cycling??

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    When Wiggins is asked about doping he swears like a drunken sailor. Why so angry Bradley? Something to hide? Sorry, Jeff, but cheating has been an integral part of bicycle racing since it's inception and that will not change.

    How many times do you need to to be fooled before you can see?

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    So we're supposed to become complete cynics like yourself and abandon bike racing because people doped and cheated and because you think Wiggins dopes because he swears a lot? You don't watch any professional sports then at all do you? There are PED users, dopers, and cheaters in every sport. At least cycling is trying hard to clean up.

    Well Mr. Smith has said it all. Racing as a sport is dead. May as well trade in that carbon racer for a functional commuter model.

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    I was a little surprised at how dominant Wiggins/Froome were this previous TdF but I like to believe Sky strict anti-doping policy's is genuine. I think Wiggins is a bit boring to watch (TTs are not the most riveting stages) but an angry reaction to a doping suggestion isn't that out of the ballpark if you have dedicated so much time/energy to something. Cavendish had a similar reaction recently. To be completely calm would seem more clandestine to me.

    Cheating has always been part of any competition and cycling is no exception but that's no reason not to try to clean up the sport. I enjoy reading what Vaughters has to say these days. I'm also curious about what's happening at Team Blanco (the team formerly known as Rabobank).

    I watched less than 5 minutes total of the last Olympics, so no prizes for guessing how I feel about those. When I was younger I used to enjoy them, especially the 100m/200m sprints. But anyway, opinions are like assholes, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod Smith View Post
    Why? A clean rider wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell to medal if by some miracle he could even make his nation's Olympic team.
    Which is pretty much why the Olympics don't really jazz me much. I'd rather go for a bike ride. Honestly, most organized sports don't hold much interest for me.

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    I've got to say as a casual observer of this forum I really expected to see a thread about ole Lance earlier in the week. I am guessing everyone pretty much agrees about him now.

    It is really sad to see how many of the die hard fans have finally had enough. If you read some of the FB comments on the Velonews or Bicycling Magazine articles it seems like the tides have turned on him.He dolled out false hope to cancer patients for years and should face some court of public opinion justice for that, some civil litigation wouldn't hurt either. Lying, attacking others, and stealing purse money for years should have some repercussions.

    Some of the articles I have found very interesting about this are;
    An op-ed from the Guardian that has some real biting questions, that I really think he should have to answer. http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-rad...ance-armstrong
    My personal favorite it this one
    http://www.mediaweek.co.uk/News/Most...rong-print-ad/


    And as far as pro cycling is going at least in this country, it looks a little worrisome. The Tour of Battenkill scrapped the Mens Pro race for because of doping issues (http://www.tourofthebattenkill.com/l...rica-tour.html) and replaced it with a Fondo (http://www.tourofthebattenkill.com/l...ran-fondo.html). To me that seems like a good idea, but I am not a huge pro cycling fan. For pro cycling it is less than encouraging to see a larger event like that being scrapped for something with more audience participation and revenue potential.

    I swear if one more of my co-workers comes up to me and asks what I think of this situation I am going to forcefully remove all of my own hair by hand. /rant

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    I'm a pro cycling fan and I'm sick of the Lance question. I make it a point to follow the Lance question to NFL fans with "how many murderers and rapists DON'T we know about?".

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveTheTech View Post
    I've got to say as a casual observer of this forum I really expected to see a thread about ole Lance earlier in the week. I am guessing everyone pretty much agrees about him now.
    Lots of us are tired of it all. Anyone that rides a lot gets the water cooler questions a lot. I'm not sure how I manage to stay a fan of professional cycling. I'm still a fan though. I'm interested to see how it works out.

    For the water cooler crowd, I usually try to have a different, off-beat answer for them when I get that usual questions. Honestly, the best answer to questions like that is to return a probing question that may help people to think more deeply, or have a more complex view of things. All of the conversations seem to end up with me saying what I always say... "I'm going for a bike ride!". Ultimately that's the best answer.

    *Still on hold... waiting for Pat to answer the UCI Doping hotline.* Dayummmm... I gotta pee! "Your call is valuable to us... "

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    No doubt that he has a lot to answer for in the cycling world. But I don't think cancer victims were taken advantage of. Many continue to be grateful for all of the money that he brought in for cancer research over the years. As flawed as he is, the cancer fundraising was real.

    I'm only following the story with moderate interest. As pointed out, cycling is not the only sport with a massive doping history. (Baseball. Football. Track and field.) And yeah, some other sports have doping problems plus thuggery problems, with off-the-field incidents of violent behavior and other criminal activity. Not just on the pro level too. It might be just a small percentage of football players getting involved in that stuff, but are, say, 5 percent of cyclists killing people in bar brawls, killing their spouses, getting arrested for domestic violence, etc.? Not that I've heard of.

    At the risk of offending any Baltimore Ravens fans here, what about Ray Lewis? He is lionized as an NFL icon and a role model. But he still hasn't explained what happened over a decade ago when his posse was involved in a nighttime brawl that led to the stabbing deaths of two people. What about players like Ben Roethlisberger, who appears to be a serial rapist? He has always been able to worm his way out of prosecution, but the incidents kept happening until he undertook PR damage control. Or Michael Vick? Or O.J. Simpson? It's not the majority of football players, but these aren't isolated incidents either.

    On the doping front, baseball has a well-documented recent history of doping, including maybe the majority of the superstars over the last 30 years. (Hopefully most of the players have stopped doping. But stars like Manny Ramirez and Melky Cabrera have tested positive in recent years. So the problem has not gone away.) The baseball writers refused to vote in a single person to the Baseball Hall of Fame this winter, as a form of protest and a show of disapproval of the steroid era in baseball. (In earlier eras, stimulants were the main drug problem in baseball.) As for football, it's almost like the game is no longer being played by human beings. An entire generation of players became massively bigger and stronger compared with pro players from a couple decades ago. Evolution doesn't work quite that fast. But PEDs do. Many amateur cyclists and triathletes dope these days, but so do a lot of amateur football players. There hasn't been much testing because it's too expensive. But I remember reading about a survey many years ago, in which high-school athletes were asked to reply anonymously. Over half of the athletes admitted to doping! I don't remember how large the survey was, but there have been other indications that some top prospects are indeed doping, to improve their chances of getting into a top college program and then obtaining a lucrative NFL deal.

    So yeah, Armstrong doped. He has been punished severely. I'm not losing too much sleep about cycling being somehow worse than other sports. Maybe the UCI played a bigger role in covering it up than organizations in other sports did. But a lot of people have overlooked and covered up doping in other sports too. Doping is a serious problem. I just don't happen to think that it is somehow exclusively a pro cycling problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    *Still on hold... waiting for Pat to answer the UCI Doping hotline.* Dayummmm... I gotta pee! "Your call is valuable to us... "
    +1 Internets to you sir, very funny.

    Quote Originally Posted by PotomacCyclist View Post
    No doubt that he has a lot to answer for in the cycling world. But I don't think cancer victims were taken advantage of. Many continue to be grateful for all of the money that he brought in for cancer research over the years. As flawed as he is, the cancer fundraising was real.
    I would not say he took advantage overtly but definitely instilled a good bit of false hope in many people facing the largest fight of their life. The money and recognition he raised for cancer in general cannot be taken from them (but if anyone were to try to figure out a way too...., it is clear he had no problem taking from honest cyclists, why not cancer patients?). It was inspiring to watch a clean cancer survivor dominate a field of dopers for many years.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveK View Post
    I'm a pro cycling fan and I'm sick of the Lance question. I make it a point to follow the Lance question to NFL fans with "how many murderers and rapists DON'T we know about?".
    I am sick of the questions, I am more sick of Lance though. I do not care for liars and cheats in any realm of our society, especially those who are put on such a high pedestal. Just like with the NFL and their players who conduct themselves poorly in public we should have public outcry that leads to action, be it life time shunning from sport or financial penalties.Very few pro level athlete ever pay for their crimes and are often rewarded with very lucrative second chances, while members of the public sector are terminated for infidelity or a first offense on an otherwise stellar career(http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/s...est/51680182/1), if he were a linebacker in the NFL he would have served a 4 or 5 game suspension (maybe) and have been allowed to return. It is on the fans of the sport to vote with their dollar and just not tolerate foolish and unsportsmanlike behavior, but we all know how that will go. With the return of hockey some would expect fans to boycott games or protest in other ways instead jersey sales go through the roof and people are back as if nothing happened.
    I am a avid Patriots fan, a few years back they were caught cheating and walked off with a slap on the wrist. It is a shame, but I am glad we were able to get out of that with a little cash I guess it really depends where your dog in the fight is located.

    I personally think Nicole Cooke sums it up nicely.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013...exactly-how-is
    It is a shame that many of us have never heard of her or her accomplishments other than a quick blurb. She spent her entire career working clean and has very little to show for it. That really breaks my heart.

    Just goes to show the honest guy (or gal) almost never wins in the long run.

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    Just goes to show the honest guy (or gal) almost never wins in the long run.
    Ooooooooooooh that depends entirely on what you mean by wins. I wasnt going to respond to this thread because I dont care. 40 years ago when I started cycling I didnt know who Lance was. I dont cycle because some guy in spandex won a race on a mountain in some country across an ocean. I bike because I love to bike. Period.

    I dont care for putting any people up on high pedestals. I have never understood the fascination of pop culture to know more about a complete stranger than about your friends or family. I heard someone say once that you can tell a lot about a person by walking into their home or office and looking at what pictures are on the walls. What pictures are on your walls? Are they pictures of complete strangers? Are they pictures of "Lance." Or are they pictures of people you know and love. My office walls are covered by art work my kids did, as a result of a great teacher who lives in Arlington. Oh yeah and my agency's BFB award.

    I dont care about Lance because I have never cared about Lance (or Vick or Oprah or...). I am an honest guy, mostly. And looking back on my life, I think I have pretty much won. My favorite day is walking with my dogs and my family on the beach. I get to wake up every morning riding along the Potomac River, watching the sun rise over the Nations Capital. I have a good job. I live in the Socialist Republic of Northern Virginia (aka Bike Friendly Arlington). Life is good.

    Now.... where to ride this weekend?

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