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    Quote Originally Posted by Crickey7 View Post
    If a few people actually chased you down to complain, that means in all likelihood, many more did not hear you but chose not to make a stink about it. I'd suggest that your pass-calling isn't nearly as audible as you think it is. At least on the CCT, the posted requirement isn't simply signaling your pass. It's signaling your pass audibly.
    Most people acknowledge my calls by waving, so I'm pretty confident the problem here isn't me. And that's 2 people in 13 years of commuting, so not too bad. Given the ingrained cyclist expectation here to be treated like unpredictabld children on the trail, I'm pretty sure the ratio would be a lot higher if I were actually inaudible. And if someone can't hear me because they're chatting next to a friend, I don't feel obligated to scream at them. For the last few year I do just use a bell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hozn View Post
    For the last few year I do just use a bell.
    I find the bell to be more reliable at being recognized since it has consistent volume. Iíve had plenty of times where my voice cracked when calling a pass or I was winded and it wasnít loud. And if someone has headphones in who knows if they heard me. When riding a bike with a bell I usually do both.

    To encourage good behavior I also give a hand acknowledgement or say thank you to everyone that calls a pass to me.

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    Whom does calling a pass serve, really? I feel like calling my passes is a matter of self preservation, to prevent potential crazy Ivans. As long as the person Iím passing knows better than to make sudden course corrections, the call is actually unnecessary. When Iím the one being passed, I donít like to be startled by people who donít give me an audible signal, but for my own part, I know Iím not going to veer into them, because I always check my 6 before making a lane change. So, I call passes for myself, really. Other than being startled, I donít see why people should get upset by people not calling passes. Itís not like everyone honks their horn before passing in a car; why is it so important on a bike?

    All that said, I must admit that I do get mildly irritated when people pass me without an audible warning. After thinking about all this, maybe it shouldnít.

    Iím still going to ring my bell every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkel View Post
    It’s not like everyone honks their horn before passing in a car; why is it so important on a bike?
    Because the pass-ee isn't surrounded by a ton of steel armor? Also, ironically, the passing distances are generally greater for the less vulnerable road users. Wouldn't want to scratch your own paint, dontchaknow?

    Other than being startled, I don’t see why people should get upset by people not calling passes.
    Isn't that reason enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstone View Post
    Because the pass-ee isn't surrounded by a ton of steel armor? Also, ironically, the passing distances are generally greater for the less vulnerable road users. Wouldn't want to scratch your own paint, dontchaknow?

    Isn't that reason enough?
    I think itís cultural rather than practical, and the need for calling passes is based on the lack of consistent behavior (in this country) on the MUPs.

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    No one likes being startled by someone else passing at a significant speed disparity appearing silently at one's elbow and whooshing by. Whether or not cyclists are weenies for being annoyed by it, it's pretty obvious joggers and walkers are. And if you're going to do it for some trail users, is it so hard to do it for all? Some cyclists won't care. But some will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consularrider View Post
    Nope, at least not in Germany. The vast majority of cycling infrastructure that I've seen is shared with pedestrians so there isn't much buffer. What you have a lot of are sidewalks the width of the W&OD with about two and a half feet marked for bikes. Both bikes and pedestrians will generally respect that. Your second point is better.
    Not all of Germany - in Berlin, it's mostly bikes-only and peds-only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judd View Post
    I find the bell to be more reliable at being recognized since it has consistent volume. I’ve had plenty of times where my voice cracked when calling a pass or I was winded and it wasn’t loud. And if someone has headphones in who knows if they heard me. When riding a bike with a bell I usually do both.

    To encourage good behavior I also give a hand acknowledgement or say thank you to everyone that calls a pass to me.

    I was blessed by my creator with a loud voice that carries well, so I tend to take this opportunity to put it to good use - a call can enable me to 'customize' and be more polite - cyclists get "on your left" or "passing", runners "on your left", walkers I will usually do "bike passing on your left" to be less confusing, and if I am going very slowly and am close (such is if I have slowed down because opposing traffic prevented a safe pass) I will add an "excuse me". But when my voice is tired, or I suspect the passee does not understand English, I will often use the bell. OTOH if its an apparently experienced runner, with headphones, and there is space to give them plenty of room, I may just pass in silence (depending on how recently I have lubed my derailleur) assuming they know not to do a crazy ivan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dasgeh View Post
    Not all of Germany - in Berlin, it's mostly bikes-only and peds-only.
    That wasn't my impression when I was riding there for three days in April. but, I don't want to getting into an argument about it. While I love riding in Germany, cycling infrastructure here has many downsides just as it does in the US, and my point is that cycling behavioral norms and expectations are not consistent across cultures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hozn View Post
    Most people acknowledge my calls by waving, so I'm pretty confident the problem here isn't me. And that's 2 people in 13 years of commuting, so not too bad. Given the ingrained cyclist expectation here to be treated like unpredictabld children on the trail, I'm pretty sure the ratio would be a lot higher if I were actually inaudible. And if someone can't hear me because they're chatting next to a friend, I don't feel obligated to scream at them. For the last few year I do just use a bell.
    Hans is a better man than me. I call my passes, but I get very angry with people who tell me I should've called it louder.

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