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    Does anyone want to take bets on how long it will be before there are serious accidents because of the new and improved traffic routing that will be installed by NPS soon? What a bungle.

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    Full statement here: https://parkplanning.nps.gov/documen...umentID=125016

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    Encouraging cyclists to salmon seems like a really, really bad idea. The original options didn't show that, IIRC.

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    The worst part of this design is the placement of the contraflow lane in the middle. With two lanes going one direction and one going the other way, the contraflow lane should be on the outside. Since we drive on the right in the USA, it should be on the left side of the image above.

    The traffic design in this image, flawed as it is, could be substantially improved just by switching the positions of the car parking lane with the MUP. That would also enable vehicles to be parked in the most common method, with the passenger side against the curb, improving drivers' visibility.

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    I'd say that what the NPS is the cheap and easy fix instead of investing the time and effort to do it right. They could have made a sidewalk on the inside of the point in the grassy area shown in the picture, for pedestrians. Slower riders could have been reminded to stay on the far right, and otherwise things should have been left as they are now. If they wanted to enhance the point, then they could have restricted cars and left the whole thing for cyclists and peds. Make cars park in the lot for the golf course. But noooo, they had to try to be everything for everyone while doing it in a half-assed way that is going to get someone hurt. Where does WABA stand on this?

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    The rendering may be old. The narrative says the MUP will be separated from traffic by parked cars. Also says they intend to repair the seawall and sidewalk at some point in the future. That won't be cheap, but is needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hancockbs View Post
    The narrative says the MUP will be separated from traffic by parked cars.
    There will only be buffering from parked cars at the current angled spaces, which are going to be converted to parallel parking.

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    Everyone at work has been talking about this change. One person even feared it would end the noon ride. There will be a slight adjustment period but after that it'll feel normal. Perhaps I'm ignorantly optimistic.

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    Considering cars travel anywhere from 5 to 50 mph this is going to be a disaster to force them into one lane. Maybe impatient drivers will swerve into the bike/pedestrian lanes to pass.

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    The article is vague on details regarding installation. Sounds like it could happen any day now. anyone know?

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    I rode there the other night. If the lines painted on the pavement represent what’s actually going to happen, the primary ride lane on the right (CW) is smaller than the CCW lane and runs up to the curb and over the gratings. What a disaster.

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