Friends of BAFS/Slackers

[cvcalhoun]

Just to be clear, as stated in the original post, we are not anyone's "friends"


(Anyone can participate in reindeer games - whether they registered or not - it is a matter for the person running the reindeer game and most of the games - all of the games this year? dont require registration)

I am half inclined to inquire, then, why we have Friends of BAFS on freezingsaddles.org at all. (That didn't start this year, and wasn't my doing.) But my better instincts suggest I should just back away slowly instead.

[rcannon100]

I am half inclined to inquire, then, why we have Friends of BAFS on freezingsaddles.org at all. (That didn't start this year, and wasn't my doing.) But my better instincts suggest I should just back away slowly instead.

I havent any idea myself. Team Slacker (or what some people call "friends" ) never asked to be on the leaderboard or Freezingsaddles.com - that was the point. People who wanted to play games but not compete on miles.

[cvcalhoun]

I havent any idea myself. Team Slacker (or what some people call "friends" ) never asked to be on the leaderboard or Freezingsaddles.com - that was the point. People who wanted to play games but not compete on miles.

Yeah, at one point, they registered using the same form as everyone else and were listed as a team, even though of course they never requested that. Starting with BAFS 2018, they stopped using the registration form, they got taken off of the leaderboard, their name got changed to Friends of BAFS (precisely to emphasize that they were not a team, because teams suggest competition), and they got listed by name (but with no mileage shown) on https://freezingsaddles.org/people/friends. So it's three years so far they've been listed as "Friends." If you think they should be less "Friend"ly, you can take that up with obscurerichard, who runs the site. But they haven't had a team Strava club since they stopped being treated as a team.

[AlanA]

Thank you for taking a break! This was starting to look like a Facebook political discussion.

[cvcalhoun]

Thank you for taking a break! This was starting to look like a Facebook political discussion.

Sorry to alarm you. This is all in good humor. I promise I'm not planning on demonstrating in front of rcannon100 's house or anything.

[Raymo853]

My suggestion, have a Friends of BAFS that is only open to people who would qualify for a typical team but either were late registering, did not want to commit to a team, or are alumni that after moving out of the area do not want to take up spots on teams. I am that last group. Was on teams and captain while in DC and twice while out of the area but prefer to not get so into it these days.

The current friends is not so attractive when it is full of the join all teams types that are all over Strava. Great they ride 400 km a day in the Southern Hemisphere but really not what I am looking to see.

[Steve O]

My suggestion, have a Friends of BAFS that is only open to people who would qualify for a typical team but either were late registering, did not want to commit to a team, or are alumni that after moving out of the area do not want to take up spots on teams. I am that last group. Was on teams and captain while in DC and twice while out of the area but prefer to not get so into it these days.

The current friends is not so attractive when it is full of the join all teams types that are all over Strava. Great they ride 400 km a day in the Southern Hemisphere but really not what I am looking to see.

In the past "friends" were typically former players like yourself. I don't mind relaxing that slightly to include, say, spouses or active members of the DC-area bike community who haven't played before. That said, people who opt to be a "Friend of Freezing Saddles" ought to do something besides authorize Strava: take photographs, play games, help with the website, organize a ride, volunteer in some other way.

Note that the official list of friends seems to be DMV people, many of them veterans of FS.

[jrenaut]

To appear on the BAFS website, you have to authorize the site to read your Strava details. People who authorize but are not on a team show up on the Friends page. One assumes if they have taken the time to authorize, they intend to take part in the games in some way. As Steve O says, I recognize a bunch of the names on the Friends list.

If someone wants to volunteer to administer the main Strava club and boot the join-everything people, have at it.

[kwarkentien]

If someone wants to volunteer to administer the main Strava club and boot the join-everything people, have at it.

I think this is what Raymo is asking for, just the Strava group, not the BAFS “Friends” list on the Forum. I would certainly offer to do the purging but can’t do it “accurately” without (1) being the administrator of the Strava group; and (2) knowing all of the “actual” identities of the Strava people and how those names correlate with their Forum/Freezing Saddles names. But I get it: this is another crappy job for no purpose vis-a-vis BAFS teams standings for the admins that run the backend of our stoopid Reindeer Games.


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[cvcalhoun]

I think this is what Raymo is asking for, just the Strava group, not the BAFS “Friends” list on the Forum. I would certainly offer to do the purging but can’t do it “accurately” without (1) being the administrator of the Strava group; and (2) knowing all of the “actual” identities of the Strava people and how those names correlate with their Forum/Freezing Saddles names. But I get it: this is another crappy job for no purpose vis-a-vis BAFS teams standings for the admins that run the backend of our stoopid Reindeer Games.


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Yeah, it's not clear why anyone cares. Those who are on teams have their mileage shown on the leaderboard. Those who are in the Strava club and have authorized Freezing Saddles to read their miles appear (but without their mileage) in the "Friends of BAFS" tab under "People." If you just stop looking at the Strava club and look only at the freezingsaddles.org site, the problem is solved.

So what if someone is so bothered by the Strava club that they volunteer to clean it up? Well, you couldn't just kick out everyone who has a foreign address, because that might be someone who previously participated and has now moved elsewhere. You could potentially kick out everyone who is in the Strava club but hasn't authorized Freezing Saddles to read their miles, if you compared each person in the Strava club to both the "People" tab and the "Friends of BAFS" tab. But that risks kicking out someone who meant to be a Friend of BAFS and just overlooked a step, and makes it harder for them to fix the problem later. So you've spent a lot of time and effort fixing something that is not a problem, at the risk of creating something that is a problem.