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    Quote Originally Posted by zsionakides View Post
    limited areas to pleasantly walk outside their immediate neighborhood
    so walk in the neighborhood...again, it's a pandemic and people need to make some adjustments and accept that this just isn't the time for that epic trip

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    Quote Originally Posted by matteblack View Post
    I rode all over NoVA in the hunt for parks during FS2020. While I found that McLean was the worst in terms of on-road riding (or sidepaths), I didn't have any issues with riding on the roads in any of the areas mentioned above (not including Prince William or Stafford as they're off my radar). I'd have even fewer issues now that there's been such a decrease in traffic!

    Yes, I do realize I'm probably an outlier and not the most accurate representation of your target demographic (folks who don't ride daily -- or even monthly -- on a usual basis), but it's not that difficult to string together neighborhoods in NoVA in order to avoid riding on main roads (where many of them have side paths anyway so that riding on the road isn't even required). Sure, it might take a while to get where they're going, but it can definitely be done with some foresight and planning.

    As an aside, my son and a few of his friends, who aren't cyclists by any stretch of the imagination, rode from Fair Lakes to Alexandria and back the other day. They had *no* problems getting there or back. (The problems happened the next day when they paid for their youthful exuberance lol.)
    I’m looking at how to accommodate average cyclists who aren’t going to be comfortable dealing with most of Fairfax County’s high speed roads. While some neighborhoods can be biked from, there are a lot of apartment complexes and townhome communities that simply plug into the state highways, which I wouldn’t recommend for anyone.

    PWC is much worse than Fairfax. I used to work in the county and couldn’t fathom riding much of anywhere there. That’s why you see people driving to all the parks. Shutting down parking lots simply shifts them to parking in nearby neighborhoods.

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    I’m looking at how to accommodate average cyclists who aren’t going to be comfortable dealing with most of Fairfax County’s high speed roads. While some neighborhoods can be biked from, there are a lot of apartment complexes and townhome communities that simply plug into the state highways, which I wouldn’t recommend for anyone.
    I guess you missed what I included in my original post:

    As an aside, my son and a few of his friends, who aren't cyclists by any stretch of the imagination, rode from Fair Lakes to Alexandria and back the other day. They had *no* problems getting there or back.
    My son and his friends are below average cyclists; they were able to get from Fair Lakes to Old Town using side paths, sidewalks and neighborhood roads. If they can do it, your average cyclist should have no problem finding routes to ride while avoiding "high speed roads" (whatever that means).

    Please provide examples of "communities that simply plug into the state highways" and I'm sure I can go to google maps and find a route for them to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matteblack View Post
    I guess you missed what I included in my original post:



    My son and his friends are below average cyclists; they were able to get from Fair Lakes to Old Town using side paths, sidewalks and neighborhood roads. If they can do it, your average cyclist should have no problem finding routes to ride while avoiding "high speed roads" (whatever that means).

    Please provide examples of "communities that simply plug into the state highways" and I'm sure I can go to google maps and find a route for them to take.
    I don’t consider sidewalks a safe way to ride, particularly if you consider needs to socially distance.

    High speed road - for me any multi-lane with speed limits of 35+. Typically cars are going faster than this and accidents with bikes or pedestrians are often deadly.

    Simple example is Skyline in Baileys Crossroads. Thousands live there and it’s surrounded by 4-6 lane roads.

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    An easy eight miles from Skyline Towers

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    Quote Originally Posted by zsionakides View Post
    I donít consider sidewalks a safe way to ride, particularly if you consider needs to socially distance.

    High speed road - for me any multi-lane with speed limits of 35+. Typically cars are going faster than this and accidents with bikes or pedestrians are often deadly.

    Simple example is Skyline in Baileys Crossroads. Thousands live there and itís surrounded by 4-6 lane roads.
    I live at skyline and know quiet a few cyclist with varying degrees of road riding comfort levels. We have navigated the 4 -6 lanes into all kinds of neighborhoods. During rush hour there maybe a little planning but now a days there are no issues just follow road rules...be predictable. Oh and check out the new bike lanes on Seminary (between Carlin spring and Columbia Pike), Carlin Springs and Glen Carlyn!


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    Quote Originally Posted by matteblack View Post
    An easy eight miles from Skyline Towers

    Next?

    This is fine for a confident rider, though I doubt the general public would ride this route, let alone even discover a route like this. The general public is either going with what they know (e.g. W&OD) or what's findable in their neighborhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zsionakides View Post
    This is fine for a confident rider, though I doubt the general public would ride this route, let alone even discover a route like this. The general public is either going with what they know (e.g. W&OD) or what's findable in their neighborhood.
    Why not? It only took me five minutes to create and I don't even know the area. Is the general public not capable of finding routes near their homes? Is the general public not capable of using a map?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matteblack View Post
    An easy eight miles from Skyline Towers
    Yes, these are nice streets to ride on. However, there are five, yes 5, stream crossings in Holmes Run Stream Valley Park (about mile 6 on your link). There are many stepping pillars, but it is somewhat precarious to balance while carrying a bike. On a recent ride, at one crossing the stream was about a foot deep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matteblack View Post
    Why not? It only took me five minutes to create and I don't even know the area. Is the general public not capable of finding routes near their homes? Is the general public not capable of using a map?


    I ride Lacy regularly - its my direct route to Trader Joe's and Lake Barcroft (and thence to Annandale).

    Newbie riders, youngsters, etc are not going to take the lane there, with steep grades and traffic frequently on your tail and a need to carefully swerve to allow traffic to pass.

    And that's a good area where there is actually a grid of streets in a relatively low density place - most of the region either has no complete grid to make it possible to stay off arterials, or the density (and thus number of motor vehicles) is higher.

    Things are fine in general for confident riders (as noted, much less traffic across the region, though reports of some drivers going faster than usual)

    There are problems for the newb riders who cling to sidewalks (and pedestrians face similar issues) The policy solutions for these latter two groups would be the same (temporarily reallocating street space to create wider sidewalks to the extent feasible).

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