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    Quote Originally Posted by accordioneur View Post
    I do not understand this statement when the map you included in the very same post shows the route to take Columbia St. around Banneker Park.
    Or maybe that the road changes from Columbia to 16th at some point along the route?

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Or maybe that the road changes from Columbia to 16th at some point along the route?
    Yes, at the county line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Or maybe that the road changes from Columbia to 16th at some point along the route?
    You re correct the easternmost 1/10th of a mile or so, starting somewhere between Underwood and Tuckahoe Streets, is in Arlington, and likely that's where the designation changes from Columbia St. to N. 16th St. My posting should have made it clear that I meant "Columbia St., continuing onto N. 16th St." I hate to think that SteveO might have gotten stuck forever at the corner of Columbia and Tuckahoe because my directions didn't include how to get from there to Roosevelt St.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheels&wings View Post
    Hi all – how are people maneuvering around Banneker Park (near East Falls Church) now that the County’s contractor has put up fencing to keep us out (in addition to the barricades)? I tried the official detour tonight and nearly got myself killed trying to cross the I-66 on-ramp off Sycamore/N Roosevelt (cars whip around their turns and completely ignore the Walk signal). Is there a safer detour? I wish that the County would adjust the signals so that people on foot or on bicycles could have a safe time to cross without being plowed under.
    Thanks. w&w
    I'm confused - are you (1) crossing the ramp, or (2) staying on the south side of the street and riding in the PBL, which would mean you only need to cross Sycamore? I ask because County staff was thinking people would do #2. If the problem is that you're doing #1 because [insert reason here], the solution might be to address that reason. If the problem is that you're doing #2 and crossing Sycamore sucks, then the solution is...

    Quote Originally Posted by ShawnoftheDread View Post
    I’m doing trail past the basketball court to Roosevelt, right on 17th, left on Roosevelt/Sycamore, right on 16th.
    Quote Originally Posted by accordioneur View Post
    I avoid the whole mess and take Columbia Street.
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve O View Post
    Columbia avoids the bridge construction but not the Banneker Park section.
    Dread's and bentbike's option (the purple line on the map) is the continuation of Columbia/16th St. around Banneker. The trick here is that one has to cross Roosevelt without a traffic signal, which is easier or harder depending on time of day.

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    YOU ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE SAME DETOUR.

    But my read on that detour was that it would be scary dangerous headed eastbound, because the intersection of 16th & Sycamore is pretty blind. Am I wrong there?

    Quote Originally Posted by arlcxrider View Post
    The handling of that detour and the Banneker Park detour have been pretty dismal, in my opinion.
    Agree with the detour for the bridge (why isn't it just Columbia for bikes?). On on the schedule, County staff might be able to open the trail back up in the Spring. Depends on a lot so they're not coming anywhere close to making promises. Staff has been responsive here -- they put in the temporary PBL on 19th in response to BAC feedback. They met with people onsite on a really disgusting day and listening and are looking into fixes.

    If we can be more clear about why the PBL doesn't work (see my q to W&W), then maybe County staff could fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasgeh View Post
    But my read on [the Columbia St.] detour was that it would be scary dangerous headed eastbound, because the intersection of 16th & Sycamore is pretty blind. Am I wrong there?
    Actually, if you roll from Columbia/16th into the bike lane on Sycamore/Roosevelt (just like the cars do), you can see southbound traffic just fine. Also, there is a median at the intersection if you need to wait for northbound traffic to clear after crossing the southbound lanes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasgeh View Post
    ...But my read on that detour was that it would be scary dangerous headed eastbound, because the intersection of 16th & Sycamore is pretty blind. Am I wrong there? ...
    I agree the 16th and Roosevelt eastbound sightlines are horrible, but more manageable on a bike than in a car (especially a stick shift). From Columbia/16th, I like to take Tuckahoe or Sycamore to 11th and cross Roosevelt to 12th in Madison Manor. This gives the added bonus of the climb to 11th.
    Last edited by consularrider; 12-12-2019 at 05:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consularrider View Post
    I agree the 16th and Roosevelt eastbound sightlines are horrible, but more manageable on a bike than in a car (especially a stick shift). From Columbia/16th, I like to take Tuckahoe or Sycamore to 11th and cross Roosevelt to 12th in Madison Manor. This gives the added bonus of the climb to 11th.
    Be forewarned, if you are looking to follow consularrider's route and rejoin the W&OD in Madison Manor, that there is to be a temporary closure of the Powhatan St. entry point because of a sewer project (as of yesterday it was still open).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasgeh View Post
    But my read on that detour was that it would be scary dangerous headed eastbound, because the intersection of 16th & Sycamore is pretty blind. Am I wrong there?
    I've never had a problem at the intersection of 16th and Sycamore. Perhaps you're thinking of 16th and Roosevelt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasgeh View Post
    But my read on that detour was that it would be scary dangerous headed eastbound, because the intersection of 16th & Sycamore is pretty blind. Am I wrong there?
    Quote Originally Posted by bentbike33 View Post
    Actually, if you roll from Columbia/16th into the bike lane on Sycamore/Roosevelt (just like the cars do), you can see southbound traffic just fine.
    Quote Originally Posted by consularrider View Post
    I agree the 16th and Roosevelt eastbound sightlines are horrible, but more manageable on a bike than in a car (especially a stick shift).
    I haven't been this way in awhile, but perhaps this is a seasonal thing? From Streetview it looks like much of the reduction in viewing distance is due to vegetation hanging off the trees in the corner lot. Presumably one can see through those trees much better now that the leaves have fallen.

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    Today on my morning run I stopped at 19th and Sycamore and snapped a couple pictures. When I ventured through that intersection two nights ago, I was heading west. Why had I crossed the I-66 on-ramp? Because I was following the Detour signs. The sign for westbound cyclists is on the far side of the ramp. As a vehicular cyclist, that seems reasonable, as I want to ride with traffic – not against it. My destination was up 19th, which becomes Westmoreland. There is nothing telling you to cross on the south side if you are a cyclist heading west. And that would only add intersections to get through amidst a lot of hurried and distracted drivers coming to and from the Metro and surrounding areas. So I simply followed the Detour signs…

    I need to get around Banneker several times a day at all different hours. I am grateful for the advice of my route-savvy peers…now I am crossing Roosevelt downstream and taking Columbia. I just worry about ignorant folks (like I was) who actually follow the designated detour route. At the very least, I would move the detour signs and put up a warning about crossing the on-ramp. Or even better, fix the signals so pedestrians and bicycle riders have a designated time to cross. As for me, I will stick with Columbia.
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