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    Quote Originally Posted by rcannon100 View Post
    I would like to suggest that we start essentially with no rules. We do something, I dont know, like hide a water bottle. Whoever finds the water bottle, gets to propose a rule - and hide the water bottle. If the proposed rule gets like five votes, it becomes law. And in this way, the rules will be entirely made up, and the points wont matter. The game will be different every day you play it. And if Robyn is involved, the game will involve massive amounts of alcohol.
    Leave it to dirty 'ol Cannon to jump right in and start suggesting the ol' "Hide the Water Bottle" game...

    Also....what are everyone's thoughts on eBikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian74 View Post

    Also....what are everyone's thoughts on eBikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuxtr View Post
    How soon would you start dropping riders from teams? After the first week? Two weeks? Would you drop a rider who has previously met the minimum but then doesn't in a subsequent week?
    I'd wait 2 weeks I think - because sometimes serious riders go on vacations in winter. Or are you planning to control for vacations a different way?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    I wasn't really a fan of it. I live FAR out of DC in Vienna and am an everyday commuter for the most part. Family and kid commitments typically limit my participation on weekends for group rides and with the length of my commute, it makes any sort of coffee/happy hours difficult as well. Basically, my participation has been limited to my commute for the most part. My first year I really felt like I was able to contribute to my team with the high mileage i racked up commuting so I didn't feel awful if I missed days on the weekend. But with a mileage cap my contribution to the team is limited, especially since I'm not able to partake in the many social aspects of the game (which was the goal I realize for the cap anyways). And I don't care about the individual points, I'm not out to "win" anything, I just want to let some others take advantage of my high miles to the benefit of a team.


    The more "local" a team is for me raises the likelihood that I could participate in some of the social activities

    I like the current team sizes

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    I agree with all of this. I rode LESS last bafs because of the mileage team contribution cap.


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    Looking forward to my first year participating in this even though I've commuted all winter the past two seasons.

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    Iím really excited to see such good ideas being posted. As it will fall to jrenaut and me (and maybe hozn if we are lucky) to implement any rule changes, in the absence of additional volunteers we are going to have to choose carefully what we pick.

    My personal bias is to encourage camaraderie over hardcore competition and avoid rules that will drive new riders away or be hard to understand or implement. Giving the people the choice of preferring a local team is appealing. I like the idea of having a much smaller team, raising or changing the point cap for team scoring, or just making the team score based on days ridden.

    I really like that last idea, btw, because it would allow a dedicated team that just rides every day to crush a team composed of elite racers and retired people who can ride hundreds of miles in a week.

    If we can easily model the effect of a rule change on competitiveness it will have a better chance of becoming official.

    Iím going to encourage people to continue to suggest rule ideas in this thread. Iím going to capture all of them and put them into GitHub issues here:

    https://github.com/freezingsaddles/freezing-web/issues

    (You can see this without a GitHub account but you canít add an issue or comment until you have a GitHub account)

    Please feel free to add new ideas directly to https://github.com/freezingsaddles/freezing-web/issues but also please mention that you have done so here in this thread and post the URL to your issue so people can review it.

    Then the team setting the rules and implementing for them will organize and prioritize these on cards in the Icebox column of this Kannan board (GitHub account & freezingsaddles team membership required to see this - PM me for access please):

    https://github.com/orgs/freezingsaddles/projects/1



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    This is being discussed by "the powers that be" as a possible change to the scoring system. A "declining points" system (Steve O cites Bob James as the originator) whereby:

    Mile 1 - 10 points
    Mile 2 - 9 points
    Mile 3 - 8 points
    Mile 4 - 7 points
    Mile 5 - 6 points
    Mile 6 - 5 points
    Mile 7 - 4 points
    Mile 8 - 3 points
    Mile 9 - 2 points
    Mile 10 and all miles afterwards - 1 point

    The perceived benefit of such a scoring system:

    a. People who do shorter rides would be able to make a greater points contribution
    b. Encourage more people (especially newbies) to ride more since they don't necessarily have to log big miles to earn points. And isn't Freezing Saddles about getting people to ride more regardless of how many miles? Giving people reasonable/achievable incentives to ride as much as possible over the winter?

    But every mile still counts for those who are obssessed with uber mileage. And it would obviate the need for a mileage cap. And we could probably get rid of the 10 points for the first ride mile of the day.

    So some examples of rides and points earned:

    1 mile = 20 points
    2 miles = 29 points
    5 miles - 48 points
    10 miles = 65 points
    50 miles = 105 points
    100 miles = 155 points

    THOUGHTS???

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    I like the first list better - the increase in points in the 2nd is too steep. Also I like the idea of either no mileage cap* or a higher one, so this is nice for that.

    * I like the idea of being able to make up for a day I haven't ridden. Course that's way less possible in this system, but it's worth trying when there's no mileage cap!

    But is the graded points for the first 10 miles / day something Jon and Obscure Richard can do without too much trouble? If it's just a simple program rewrite, I vote yes.


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    Nadine,

    Sorry if I was confusing. The "first list" is how many points you earn for each mile. The "second list" is just an example of the total points you would earn based on how many miles you ride. The thinking is that this system would/should incentivize people to ride because the "big" points are for early miles. In the example shown, a 10 mile ride is worth more than half the points of a 50 mile ride, 65 vs 105. So in some ways, it's more possible to make up for a day you haven't ridden.

    But since there's no cap, all miles count and earn points. So the Bob James' of the world can ride to their heart's content and still earn points for their team. But only 1 point per mile starting with mile 10.

    And yes, I wouldn't have put this out here for discussion if Richard had said it wasn't do-able.

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadine View Post
    I like the first list better - the increase in points in the 2nd is too steep. Also I like the idea of either no mileage cap* or a higher one, so this is nice for that.

    * I like the idea of being able to make up for a day I haven't ridden. Course that's way less possible in this system, but it's worth trying when there's no mileage cap!

    But is the graded points for the first 10 miles / day something Jon and Obscure Richard can do without too much trouble? If it's just a simple program rewrite, I vote yes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chuxtr View Post
    Nadine,

    Sorry if I was confusing. The "first list" is how many points you earn for each mile. The "second list" is just an example of the total points you would earn based on how many miles you ride. The thinking is that this system would/should incentivize people to ride because the "big" points are for early miles. In the example shown, a 10 mile ride is worth more than half the points of a 50 mile ride, 65 vs 105. So in some ways, it's more possible to make up for a day you haven't ridden.

    But since there's no cap, all miles count and earn points. So the Bob James' of the world can ride to their heart's content and still earn points for their team. But only 1 point per mile starting with mile 10.

    And yes, I wouldn't have put this out here for discussion if Richard had said it wasn't do-able.

    Cheers,
    Chuck
    Ooooh right - I forgot about the initial 10 pt bonus for getting out the door with the bike. Makes sense now.

    I like it. We'll see what the others say. Nice figuring out! Looking forward to it!

    Now if there were just a point system for today with the gale wins ...


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