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    The Department of the Interior recently announced a policy allowing e-bike use on public lands and directing each subunit to develop a policy.

    NPS Policy implementation is that e-bikes shall generally be approved for use where non-electric bikes are allowed. The policy is here: https://www.nps.gov/subjects/policy/upload/PM_19-01.pdf

    An FAQ is here: https://www.nps.gov/subjects/biking/e-bikes.htm

    The Friends of the Mount Vernon Trail survey is below. Please take the survey and share freely on social media or with any trail users you know:
    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1F...F9LCQ/viewform


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    It's great to see this, but the ban of Class 2 ebikes (those limited to 20mph but which have a throttle as well as pedal assist) misses the mark. Meanwhile, Class 3 ebikes (limited to 28 mph pedal assist only) are still allowed, making me worry about excessive speeds on the trail.

    It's unclear what NPS is trying to achieve here - a values judgment in favor of pedalers or just tilting at the windmill of "mopeds on the trail?" I use my throttle primarily to get going from a stop, but it's also fantastic way to catch a breeze in hot weather on my commute home in pants and tie. Speed is the primary issue on the trail, not whether a rider is pedaling, and I hope there won't be a rash of speeding Class 3s as a result of this rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buschwacker View Post
    It's great to see this, but the ban of Class 2 ebikes (those limited to 20mph but which have a throttle as well as pedal assist) misses the mark. Meanwhile, Class 3 ebikes (limited to 28 mph pedal assist only) are still allowed, making me worry about excessive speeds on the trail.

    It's unclear what NPS is trying to achieve here - a values judgment in favor of pedalers or just tilting at the windmill of "mopeds on the trail?" I use my throttle primarily to get going from a stop, but it's also fantastic way to catch a breeze in hot weather on my commute home in pants and tie. Speed is the primary issue on the trail, not whether a rider is pedaling, and I hope there won't be a rash of speeding Class 3s as a result of this rule.
    I would guess that this is because some of the difficulty in differentiating a Class 2 being run entirely on throttle versus something thatís really an electric moped or motorcycle.

    The policy change is also NPS wide and Iím hearing from some public lands advocates that this policy will have a negative impact in places where bikes are permitted in non-paved areas.

    I donít think itís a values judgment. NPS is a conservative organization and changes slowly. As someone who is trying to make a lot of changes on the trail that I think will be great for users and the park, thatís sometimes frustrating. As someone who is glad that there are public lands and that NPS policies tend to work to preserve those lands, Iím appreciative of conservative policy changes.

    My impression is that if youíre using a Class 2 e-bike on the trail but youíre pedaling, no one is going to know that itís a Class 2.



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    Thank you to everyone who has shared the Friends of the Mount Vernon Trailís e-bike survey. We have had 107 responses so far and are getting a fairly good mix of bikers, walkers and runners. Todayís responses bumped the number of female identifying respondents to 41% (it was at 25% yesterday). I appreciate you sharing on social media and with any groups youíre part of that may contain trail users.

    The survey will close at the end of the day on September 22nd. When the survey closes, weíll be using the results to inform a letter to the Superintendent of GWMP with our recommendation on how this policy should be incorporated in to the Directorís Compendium which are the rules for GWMP.

    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1F...F9LCQ/viewform


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    Quote Originally Posted by Judd View Post
    I would guess that this is because some of the difficulty in differentiating a Class 2 being run entirely on throttle versus something that’s really an electric moped or motorcycle.
    First of all, most class 2 also have pedal assist. The throttle is a boost, essential for people who need help.

    Second, what does it matter? the top speed isn't faster than the road bikes that are allowed so...

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