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Thread: Should Cyclists Be Allowed to Yield at Stop Signs?

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    Seems to be a law (stop at the stop signs) that is already vastly ignored by the majority of cyclists (and now, many scooterists). I stop at most of them myself, but do roll through 2 specific ones on my morning commute (both in a parking lot where the stores are not yet opened at that time.) Also tend to roll through the MVT stops at the crossing exit ramp from airport, and the Gravelly Point parking lot. Both based on only if the roadway is devoid of cars in my field of vision. I stop at all signs if I’m biking in the road (other than those 2 in the closed parking lot!)
    So... a slightly mixed bag in my own application of stops. I’m not sure I have a strong opinion formed yet, either way, about the rolling stop while in a roadway.

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    I hardly ever see drivers come to a complete stop. I also will get passed by drivers at stop signs: these drivers seem to think that when a bike slows down at a stop sign, that’s the perfect time to roll through—on the wrong side of the road. In other words, what difference does it make whether cyclists stop or not? The whole thing is already pretty close to a free-for-all, and the only thing that matters to anyone, it seems, is getting ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkel View Post
    The whole thing is already pretty close to a free-for-all, and the only thing that matters to anyone, it seems, is getting ahead.
    Sad but true! Seems an ever tightening me-centric view, governing how more and more people behave in general.
    {Sorry, feeling very pessimistic today!}

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    Of course they should be allowed to do this, the only reason to forbid it is because of concern trolling. There would be an immense net increase in safety if cycling advocacy organizations could teach cyclists how to do it properly instead of pretending that everybody isn't already doing it and saying "always stop at stop signs" for liability reasons. I don't expect to ever see this in VA unless NoVA secedes from SWVA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristoB50 View Post
    Sad but true! Seems an ever tightening me-centric view, governing how more and more people behave in general.
    {Sorry, feeling very pessimistic today!}
    You ain't alone.

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    Someone I think from WABA tweeted this and it made me ponder.

    I mean, I come to a stop sign, I "stop" (there is essentially zero forward motion - sometimes I go lateral to stay clipped in) and then move on

    Cars, cars think they are doing more than us. The reason why is that the difference in speed between their approaching speed and their "stopped" speed is so much more.

    I go from 15 mph to 1 mph. I call that a stop.

    A car goes from 25 mph to 5 mph and calls that a stop.... but they rolled the stop sign.

    BAN CARS

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristoB50 View Post
    Sad but true! Seems an ever tightening me-centric view, governing how more and more people behave in general.
    {Sorry, feeling very pessimistic today!}
    Yes it is true. But it is also simple engineering. Traffic at the macro level is an a-moral, flow of vehicles that follows statistically predictable patterns.

    20 years ago, if you ran a red light in Arlington, you would get a traffic ticket. This created an incentive. People did not run red lights. Not because they are good / bad or bruce. They just follow predictable instincts.

    Now, we have essentially no traffic enforcement. We also have an overwhelmed infrastructure. Arlington which likes to harken back to the days of cherry tree orchards and dairy farms, is now a light urban community - but has refused to employ urban traffic management (like traffic officers managing the flow of traffic in the worst intersections)

    No enforcement. Overwhelmed infrastructure (larger wealthier population driving stupid cars over stupid distances). Vehicles follow their incentives. A light turns red, there is no known enforcement, a red light causes a minor inconvenience - run the light.

    I am the first person to sit on my porch and tell all of you to get off my yard. Reality is that this is engineering at a macro level - and our local govts have utterly failed us.

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    Yes, we should.

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    I know this is a can of worms, but I do not like to completely roll as I think it emboldens cyclist trashing and I think laws should be well-reasoned and (at least occasionally) enforced. I wish local jurisdictions would consider reasonable refinements to laws, such as DE has done. Which jurisdiction is most likely to do this? Could towns in MD introduce DE-like provisions? My commute involves a number of stops signs that make very little sense for someone in the bike lane.

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