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    Default Little Falls Parkway road diet ending, CCT to be re-routed to stoplight

    Many of you have probably seen this decision by the Montgomery County Planning Board to revert Little Falls Parkway to four lanes and divert the CCT to a nearby stoplight. Itís an astonishing move given the volume of bike and pedestrian traffic that goes through there on nice days. Some communities would see the trail as a resource to be enhanced but apparently itís just an annoyance. Note well, itís all our fault.

    https://www.thewashcycle.com/2019/06...-parkway-.html

    Citizens Coordinating Committee on Friendship Heights (CCCFH)... blames the cyclists for the problems

    ďA core problem is that the CCT has become a bicycle commuter route. It was never intended as such. This results in safety issues in conflicts with the pedestrians and runners on the trail and with the automobiles on the Little Falls Parkway at the Trail/Parkway intersection. Aggravating the safety issue is the disregard that so many bicyclists have for the rules of the road.

    Constricting traffic on Little Falls Parkway to accommodate bicyclists is not at all an optimal solution to the safety issueĒ

    Kenwood Citizen's Association echoed this. The trail is "not a commuter trail", they say...
    Grr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secstate View Post
    Aggravating the safety issue is the disregard that so many bicyclists have for the rules of the road.[/url]
    Grr.
    I mean, they're not technically wrong in that particular observation... (Though the choice of "so many bicyclists" wording is {hopefully} a bit of exaggeration.)

    I don't routinely use the CCT, but have a few times - it is wildly popular with pedestrians, cyclists, kids, seniors, the whole mix... and rightly so -- a really lovely trail; I've certainly enjoyed my rides on it.
    In good weather, it undoubtedly goes well beyond "design capacity" for the number of walkers & cyclists that pour onto it, particularly along certain stretches...
    But when you add into that mix the particular cyclists who don't really want to follow the rules of the road (whether common sense rules, or posted rules) it does increase risk to other users, while also presenting a horrible "cyclists P.R." issue, lumping all of us riders in with a subset of the bad apples.

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    So if they don't want commuters using the CCT, what the hell route would they prefer commuters take?! Take a lane on Wisconsin? Massachusetts, River, or MacArthur? Without an alternative solution for commuters, it is a stupid stupid argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creadinger View Post
    So if they don't want commuters using the CCT, what the hell route would they prefer commuters take?!
    one in a car, that's the only normal thing to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristoB50 View Post
    In good weather, it undoubtedly goes well beyond "design capacity" for the number of walkers & cyclists that pour onto it, particularly along certain stretches...
    But when you add into that mix the particular cyclists who don't really want to follow the rules of the road (whether common sense rules, or posted rules) it does increase risk to other users, while also presenting a horrible "cyclists P.R." issue, lumping all of us riders in with a subset of the bad apples.
    Yes, well this is just the tribal bikes vs. cars problem. There's simply a ton of crap public behavior in this city.

    As for overcapacity, it seems like the solution is to improve the trail rather than inconvenience users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secstate View Post
    Yes, well this is just the tribal bikes vs. cars problem. There's simply a ton of crap public behavior in this city.

    As for overcapacity, it seems like the solution is to improve the trail rather than inconvenience users.
    Yeah, it seems like when other road-type thingies exceed the user capacity they add lanes and lanes and lanes... so why is nobody talking about making the CCT, a 6-lane bikeway with specific space for pedestrians and everyone else? Why does widening only work for highways?

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    Quote Originally Posted by secstate View Post
    There's simply a ton of crap public behavior in this city.
    As for overcapacity, it seems like the solution is to improve the trail rather than inconvenience users.
    No disagreement from me on either of those 2 points!
    (Though you may have to consider replacing "city" with region / country / human condition... )

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    Wow. Just wow.
    Last edited by Steve O; 06-14-2019 at 12:03 PM. Reason: And not in a good way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristoB50 View Post
    I mean, they're not technically wrong in that particular observation... (Though the choice of "so many bicyclists" wording is {hopefully} a bit of exaggeration.)

    I don't routinely use the CCT, but have a few times - it is wildly popular with pedestrians, cyclists, kids, seniors, the whole mix... and rightly so -- a really lovely trail; I've certainly enjoyed my rides on it.
    In good weather, it undoubtedly goes well beyond "design capacity" for the number of walkers & cyclists that pour onto it, particularly along certain stretches...
    But when you add into that mix the particular cyclists who don't really want to follow the rules of the road (whether common sense rules, or posted rules) it does increase risk to other users, while also presenting a horrible "cyclists P.R." issue, lumping all of us riders in with a subset of the bad apples.
    The statement is completely irrelevant to the subject though. That old canard is used almost every time there's a discussion of bicyclists to justify whatever action some group wants to take, but the fact is, this intersection isn't about just bicyclists; it's runners, walkers in general, dog walkers, people with strollers (not a cliche--the last time I went through there, I slowed and waited behind a pair as they crossed), kids. So they're using the easy hatred of "lawless cyclists" to make the trail more dangerous for everyone, just so they can drive through there more quickly. The quote is from a neighborhood association that is not really within walking distance of the intersection; their only interest is in their driving through there. If they truly gave an eff about the safety of the runners and pedestrians they mention in the rest of the quote, they wouldn't be trying to make that area of the trail more dangerous for their own convenience, but they are.

    I was happy to read in the Post recently that more people actually do blame drivers than cyclists and pedestrians for our unsafe roads. Reading anonymous comments online, you'd think cyclists were at fault for most everything, with the odd pedestrian looking at his or her phone responsible for the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creadinger View Post
    Yeah, it seems like when other road-type thingies exceed the user capacity they add lanes and lanes and lanes... so why is nobody talking about making the CCT, a 6-lane bikeway with specific space for pedestrians and everyone else? Why does widening only work for highways?
    NIMBYs

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