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    Quote Originally Posted by sjclaeys View Post
    The question is when do we finish this first step?
    We do both at the same time. We add infra, and even with only around 2% bike commute share in ArlCo and Alex, we push for institutional change. With more infra, AND with SOME institutional improvement, we get more riders. That gives us more supporters, more activists, and more sympathizers in the community - which enables BOTH more institutional improvement AND more infra.

    But you can't get there from here without blood sweat and tears, and you can't do it if you don't do the steps that actually get more people riding (and, BTW, more people walking and taking transit)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjclaeys View Post
    ACPD continues to run stop sign sting operations targeting cyclists and put up large electronic signs that actively perpetuate drivers' stereotypes that cyclists are scofflaws that do not belong on the streets. At the same time, ACPD continues to not devote resources to improve safety for cyclists and pedestrians at intersections like Lynn & Lee Highway. I'm sorry, but how can one objectively see any improvement in this regard?
    ACPD runs fewer stop sign stings targeting cyclists. I believe they only target cyclists in East Falls Church, which is improvement -- not enough, but improvement.

    ACPD was at Lynn & Lee this morning. They should be there more, but they are there sometimes, when they used to be there never. Again, not enough, but an improvement.

    ACPD now reviews every crash involving someone walking, biking scooting. They compile a report and present to the BAC and PAC. Improvements over the past.

    ACPD developed training for officers, and consulted with the BAC when drafting it. Improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjclaeys View Post
    Well the Arlington County Bicycle Advisory Committee is charted by Arlington County so, as required by their charter, they at least are required to listen to the "peanut gallery" of the great unwashed masses.
    I'm happy to listen to everyone. In fact, I check this forum and other social media regularly and build time for public comment into every meeting agenda. But the charter does not require it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordofthemark View Post
    Alexandria BPAC is a private non profit.
    Nope.

    The "About Us" page of ABPAC does not state that it is a non profit. It says ABPAC has a "Charter." Non profits dont have "charters" - they have by laws. The Charter does not state that ABPAC is a non profit.

    ACT for Alexandria is a non profit. The ACT webpage where it discusses current grants does not mention ABPAC. It does mention the Walking and Biking Fund as a field of interest fund.

    The Walking and Biking Fund donation page, where it talks about where the money goes to, talks about Alexandria schools - but not ABPAC. Donations are collected through a third party site "Mighty Cause."


    The normal is that an "advisory committee" is a creation of the government, who convenes a committee who are able to answer and provide advice on a questions from the government to the advisory committee (See the Federal Advisory Committee Act). The committee derives its authority and its existence from the government host.

    On a side note, non profits, that is 501 (c)(3)s, volunteers are protected from liability under the federal Volunteer Protection Act. One of the reasons its helpful to establish a 501c3. On the other hand, 501c3 are generally not supposed to engage in advocacy.

    In this case, I dont see anything readily apparent that indicates that ABPAC has a legal existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasgeh View Post
    Improvement.
    Making something "less bad" isnt the same as an improvement. Its just "less bad."

    Its like reducing the trash you throw away by 10% and thinking you are saving the planet. Ah, no, you're still skrewing the planet.... just maybe a little slower.

    If ACPD sucks less then yesterday, good for them. But ACPD of today has no resemblance to the ACPD of 20 years ago where if you violated traffic law, you WOULD get a ticket. Maybe the demise is a little slower, but its still demise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcannon100 View Post
    Nope.

    The "About Us" page of ABPAC does not state that it is a non profit. It says ABPAC has a "Charter." Non profits dont have "charters" - they have by laws. The Charter does not state that ABPAC is a non profit.

    ACT for Alexandria is a non profit. The ACT webpage where it discusses current grants does not mention ABPAC. It does mention the Walking and Biking Fund as a field of interest fund.

    The Walking and Biking Fund donation page, where it talks about where the money goes to, talks about Alexandria schools - but not ABPAC. Donations are collected through a third party site "Mighty Cause."


    The normal is that an "advisory committee" is a creation of the government, who convenes a committee who are able to answer and provide advice on a questions from the government to the advisory committee (See the Federal Advisory Committee Act). The committee derives its authority and its existence from the government host.

    On a side note, non profits, that is 501 (c)(3)s, volunteers are protected from liability under the federal Volunteer Protection Act. One of the reasons its helpful to establish a 501c3. On the other hand, 501c3 are generally not supposed to engage in advocacy.

    In this case, I dont see anything readily apparent that indicates that ABPAC has a legal existence.
    As the treasurer of Alexandria BPAC, I can help clarify this.

    BPAC is incorporated (as of a week or two ago!), and in the process of becoming a non profit. I expect this to be done within the next month or two, depending on processing times. The walking and biking fund is controlled by BPAC, and will fold into BPAC's "general fund" once BPAC becomes a non profit. At the moment, the walking and biking fund is used "“to promote walking and biking, primarily in Alexandria, VA”. Primiarily it is used to help support the biking in schools program BPAC runs. ACT for Alexandria administers the fund for BPAC.

    Also, you need to clarify what you mean by "advocacy". Nonprofits can educate lawmakers, and promote activities, which many would consider advocacy. But they are not allowed to use a "substantial" % of their budget on "lobbying" (influencing legislation). (https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/lobbying)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dasgeh View Post
    I'm happy to listen to everyone. In fact, I check this forum and other social media regularly and build time for public comment into every meeting agenda. But the charter does not require it.
    Here is what the charter says:

    Public Involvement
    The BAC is expected to convene a public meeting at least every other month, but might choose to meet more often. A full calendar year of meetings should be set up in advance and posted to a publicly accessible forum or forums. To help engage those not naturally inclined to attend public meetings, the BAC should develop an online presence using Google Groups, BikeArlington.com or other social media tools appropriate to their mission.

    I guess that one could take the most narrow reading of this language and say the BAC isn't required to listen to the public. Is that the BAC's official position? Also note that the charter requires the BAC to provide summaries of meetings to the public within two weeks, which I do not believe it does. No meeting notes has been posted on its website since May 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjclaeys View Post
    Here is what the charter says:

    Public Involvement
    The BAC is expected to convene a public meeting at least every other month, but might choose to meet more often. A full calendar year of meetings should be set up in advance and posted to a publicly accessible forum or forums. To help engage those not naturally inclined to attend public meetings, the BAC should develop an online presence using Google Groups, BikeArlington.com or other social media tools appropriate to their mission.

    I guess that one could take the most narrow reading of this language and say the BAC isn't required to listen to the public. Is that the BAC's official position? Also note that the charter requires the BAC to provide summaries of meetings to the public within two weeks, which I do not believe it does. No meeting notes has been posted on its website since May 2017.
    I am glad you are volunteering to be the secretary.

    I promise not to post anything about biking and walking conditions in the Eden of Westover (and other North Arlington paradises), if folks will refrain from complaining about others not doing sufficient volunteer work for organizations they do not volunteer with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emm View Post
    As the treasurer of Alexandria BPAC, I can help clarify this.

    BPAC is incorporated (as of a week or two ago!), and in the process of becoming a non profit. I expect this to be done within the next month or two, depending on processing times. The walking and biking fund is controlled by BPAC, and will fold into BPAC's "general fund" once BPAC becomes a non profit. At the moment, the walking and biking fund is used "“to promote walking and biking, primarily in Alexandria, VA”. Primiarily it is used to help support the biking in schools program BPAC runs. ACT for Alexandria administers the fund for BPAC.

    Also, you need to clarify what you mean by "advocacy". Nonprofits can educate lawmakers, and promote activities, which many would consider advocacy. But they are not allowed to use a "substantial" % of their budget on "lobbying" (influencing legislation). (https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/lobbying)

    Thanks to you, Komorebi and others who have worked hard to achieve this change.

    And to clarify, Alexandria BPAC before this was simply an unincorporated group. We were never a government body, despite the name. In fact at one time, IIUC, we lost our right to meet at the Durant Center because someone decided only govt bodies could use their meeting rooms (although that policy has since been changed).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjclaeys View Post
    Here is what the charter says:

    Public Involvement
    The BAC is expected to convene a public meeting at least every other month, but might choose to meet more often. A full calendar year of meetings should be set up in advance and posted to a publicly accessible forum or forums. To help engage those not naturally inclined to attend public meetings, the BAC should develop an online presence using Google Groups, BikeArlington.com or other social media tools appropriate to their mission.

    I guess that one could take the most narrow reading of this language and say the BAC isn't required to listen to the public. Is that the BAC's official position? Also note that the charter requires the BAC to provide summaries of meetings to the public within two weeks, which I do not believe it does. No meeting notes has been posted on its website since May 2017.
    The charter is outward facing -- we are supposed to do our work in a way the public can see. Is it a good idea to listen to others? Yes. And I do it. It's just not in the charter.

    And yes, the meetings notes issue is a problem. County staff controls the website. They get regular emails from me about the minutes being missing. But I spend most of my time on other things. Maybe I should spend less time on this forum and more time getting the minutes posted. :-)

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