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    Quote Originally Posted by DrP View Post
    Same as they do elsewhere - the rider is screwed. See for example, Army-Navy Drive south and west of Joyce (it curves there). Heading SW, the bike lane is moved towards the travel lanes (there is also a bump out for peds to stand somewhere) and the bus pulls into it there. Heading NE, the bike lanes goes dashed and the bus pulls into the bike lane. I have had to sit and wait for the bus (much like on Fairfax) or go around the bus.
    yes, I am faced with that choice on Eads. I am faced with the same choice going down 31st street, where there is no bike lane. If I am riding in the right lane on King Street (I often do that from Beauregard to North Hampton) I just wait, because I am not going to go into the left lane on King if I can help it.

    Biking in a busy city or dense suburb is what it is (I mean until we go with the whole floating bus stop thing - but I think we need more critical mass of people on bikes to get to that)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordofthemark View Post
    What other than the level of parking turnover, makes it different from here, say?

    https://www.google.com/maps/@38.8586...7i13312!8i6656

    I mean don't parking protected bike lanes always involve people crossing the bike lane to access their parked cars?
    Yes, that is the nature of a PBL. The level of parking turnover isn't trivial; the more turnover there is and the more the PBL is used, the more potential for collisions. How frequently pedestrians are popping out in between parked cars and crossing the PBL depends on what the neighborhood like.

    In the case of Westover, the north side of the street is lined with a half-dozen businesses that people typically spend about 10 minutes in. So foot traffic and cars coming and going is pretty frequent, especially on weekends when people run errands (and ride bikes). Someone earlier in the thread mentioned they had never had trouble getting a parking space in Westover. And yet those businesses are thriving. That is because there is a lot of turnover. People are constantly taking and leaving those parking spots.

    I'm not as familiar with the stretch you link to, but it appears to fit about half as many cars as Westover. The entire block is occupied by Crystal Towers, a large apartment building with an onsite parking garage, so my guess is that residents don't cross the PBL too often. Finally, it looks to me like the payment kiosk visible on the sidewalk states that the parking time max is 12 hours. If so, that's another indication to me that the potential for collisions between pedestrians and bicycles is pretty low. People are parking there for hours, and there apparently isn't enough demand to lower the max time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DismalScientist View Post
    Nope. Based on Strava segments: (I assume you are talking eastbound, because both are downhill from Harrison west as Harrison is at the top of the hill.)
    As you note, Strava is notoriously unreliable. And to clarify, I did not mean that there is no point at which Washington has a steeper grade than 16th. However, taking Washington between, say, Quincy and Sycamore, involves less climbing overall than taking 16th + lots of turns + 22nd

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    Quote Originally Posted by DismalScientist View Post
    LOTM (and other): Thinking about (parking or even flexipost) PBLs on residential streets, how does one deal with such prosaic issues as trash day or bus routes? Washington Blvd is a major bus route (2) collecting residents and delivering them to the Ballston metro and back home.
    Just like on Veitch, where the PBL goes in front of SFHs and townhomes and on a bus route. You have breaks in the protected-ness for bus stops, and you deal with 2 weeks of annoying while residents and trash collectors learn how to do trash pick up around a PBL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyRider View Post
    Yes, that is the nature of a PBL. The level of parking turnover isn't trivial; the more turnover there is and the more the PBL is used, the more potential for collisions. How frequently pedestrians are popping out in between parked cars and crossing the PBL depends on what the neighborhood like.

    In the case of Westover, the north side of the street is lined with a half-dozen businesses that people typically spend about 10 minutes in. So foot traffic and cars coming and going is pretty frequent, especially on weekends when people run errands (and ride bikes). Someone earlier in the thread mentioned they had never had trouble getting a parking space in Westover. And yet those businesses are thriving. That is because there is a lot of turnover. People are constantly taking and leaving those parking spots.
    There are also a TON of parking spots in the rear.

    Anyone biking on the block by the shops would be advised to go slow enough to stop and to be hyper aware -- if you're in the travel lanes, cars will be pulling out and people cross the street a fair amount; if it's a PBL, people will be crossing it as well. I think the latter is preferable, because I rather be in a crash with a person than a car, and either way, this is going to be a block where you just gotta slow down.

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