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    I wasn't going to bring this up, but if you look at the segment explore feature on Strava you will see that the grades on 16th Street are actually less than that those on Washington Blvd. As a frequent rider on both, I can confirm that, in fact 16th Street is flatter. (But, of course, one would expect 16th Street to be flatter as it is an older transportation corridor.)

    As to how to get to the Hospital from Westover, you do realize that 16th Street literally goes directly from Westover to the Hospital? It makes absolutely no sense to take Washington to George Mason. From EFC to Westover, I would take the WOD to the pedestrian bridge to the Custis Spurt and up McKinley. This way I avoid the hill on Wash east of Sycamore and the associated merge area caused by traffic engineers thinking that is is smart having two lanes going straight east at the light at Sycamore. (Just take a gander at their plans for the future of EFC, where they are going to eliminate the right turn lane at Sycamore when it appears that half the traffic turns right and the other half goes straight.)

    W-L to Tuckahoe? W-L is basically on top of the Custis trail, which basically intersects with Sycamore just south of East Falls Church metro, one block south of Washington Blvd. So the route is Custis (to WOD) to trail to access Metro. North on Sycamore and left on 26th. Another advantage of using this over Washington Blvd is that, east of Glebe, Washington Blvd is two narrow lanes each way with absolutely no accommodations for cyclists. West of Glebe to Harrison, Wash Blvd is one lane each way with wider lanes, but no bike lane paint.

    Quote Originally Posted by dasgeh View Post
    Where would the pedestrians go?
    Where do the pedestrians going on the "PBLs" cited above. After all, they are actually MUPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstone View Post
    to hell!
    If we pave the road with good intentions, will that meet NACTO standards? Will it be ADA compliant? Can we implement a congestion charge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasgeh View Post
    Where would the pedestrians go?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vixFxgDODs0

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    Last post unless the county comes out with new proposals. If you want to guarantee future resistance in any of the neighborhoods near Westover against any bicycle infrastructure, go ahead and push having a PBL through Westover on Washington Blvd. Don't know which is worse with bicycle advocacy people, the political tone deafness or the "I know better than everyone and don't dare tell me I'm ever wrong" attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erin Potter View Post
    Come discuss over pickles*!
    Project staff also will be available at the Westover Farmer's Market, in the Westover Library Plaza, on Sunday, March 3. Stop by for information about the project and to provide feedback.

    *Pickles dependent on my ability to set up for this event and attendance of a particular farmer's market vendor.
    You got any of them pickles still?

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    In conclusion, everyone has a different vision for this block and streets in general and how to achieve that vision and for a variety of reasons and motivations and that's ok.

    Additional point: none of you invited me out for a beer at the Westover beer garden. SAD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judd View Post
    In conclusion, everyone has a different vision for this block and streets in general and how to achieve that vision and for a variety of reasons and motivations and that's ok.

    Additional point: none of you invited me out for a beer at the Westover beer garden. SAD!
    Dammit Judd, being all reasonable and positive again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judd View Post
    You got any of them pickles still?
    My pickle vendor wasn't there. I did buy bread... which was delicious and consumed very quickly after the event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DismalScientist View Post
    I wasn't going to bring this up, but if you look at the segment explore feature on Strava you will see that the grades on 16th Street are actually less than that those on Washington Blvd. As a frequent rider on both, I can confirm that, in fact 16th Street is flatter. (But, of course, one would expect 16th Street to be flatter as it is an older transportation corridor.)
    Not sure where you're looking, but I studied this very closely when I had to take a kid to Upton hill from Cherrydale with no assist. Washington Blvd is much flatter, particularly in the stretch covering Harrison and Patrick Henry (which makes sense, as you have to go up from Washington to 16th).

    Quote Originally Posted by DismalScientist View Post
    As to how to get to the Hospital from Westover,
    No one asked this. It was EFC.

    Quote Originally Posted by DismalScientist View Post
    From EFC to Westover, I would take the WOD to the pedestrian bridge to the Custis Spurt and up McKinley. This way I avoid the hill on Wash east of Sycamore and the associated merge area caused by traffic engineers thinking that is is smart having two lanes going straight east at the light at Sycamore. (Just take a gander at their plans for the future of EFC, where they are going to eliminate the right turn lane at Sycamore when it appears that half the traffic turns right and the other half goes straight.)
    You're route is more complicated and harder to follow, which is my point. The current route on Washington isn't safe and comfortable, but should be made so.

    Quote Originally Posted by DismalScientist View Post
    W-L to Tuckahoe? W-L is basically on top of the Custis trail, which basically intersects with Sycamore just south of East Falls Church metro, one block south of Washington Blvd. So the route is Custis (to WOD) to trail to access Metro. North on Sycamore and left on 26th. Another advantage of using this over Washington Blvd is that, east of Glebe, Washington Blvd is two narrow lanes each way with absolutely no accommodations for cyclists. West of Glebe to Harrison, Wash Blvd is one lane each way with wider lanes, but no bike lane paint.
    Again, your route is hillier and longer. The current route on Washington isn't safe and comfortable, but should be made so.

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    Where do the pedestrians going on the "PBLs" cited above. After all, they are actually MUPs.
    Huh? PBLs are not MUPs - they are restricted to wheeled transportation (scooters etc welcome).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasgeh View Post
    Huh? PBLs are not MUPs - they are restricted to wheeled transportation (scooters etc welcome).
    Darn right. And in practice this means that if there was a PBL on the north side of Washington in Westover, after backing into a parking spot in front of Ayers hardware, said driver-turned-pedestrian has two options:

    1. Use a bike or a scooter or other two-wheeled vehicle to cross the PBL and get to the sidewalk.
    2. Hoof it to one of the new crosswalks and cross the PBL there.

    No popping out into the PBL in between parked cars, pedestrians!

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