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    My commute is growing to 50 miles roundtrip. So I can maintain daily commuting, i'm looking into ebikes. For this distance and accounting for battery degradation in extreme cold weather, i've determined I really want an 800 Wh or greater battery. I've narrowed myself down to two choices on opposite ends of the cost spectrum:

    Juiced CCS - 2100+ with slightly bigger battery upgrade and Schwalbe Marathon tire upgrade: https://www.juicedbikes.com/products/crosscurrent-s

    Its an online bike that includes a year warranty on electrical bits. I'll be doing my own maintenance (no biggie imo). A little concerned about the bike not being up to the task of 250 miles a week.

    or do I go for broke with a decent deal on a Stromer at a local shop:

    Stromer ST2S - https://www.stromerbike.com/en_US/e-bikes/st2-s.html - nearly 1kWh battery

    Its over triple the cost of the Juiced. I'm not sure I see triple the value in the bike.

    Since some on here might own one of these or have opinions/enjoy reading and researching about bikes I thought i'd seek the collective wisdom of my fellow two-wheeled commuters!

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    I bought a Juiced Cross Current for my 40 mile roundtrip commute last year. I was doing ~200 miles a week on it for about 9 months until I lost enough weight and was strong enough to move to a regular bike. It was up to the task in my opinion. I commuted all summer and winter on it. The only battery degradation I saw was during the extreme cold snap in early January. I kept it (and charged it) in insulated workroom but it was only heated when I was in there. During that cold snap I had to move the battery and charger into the house to get a full charge. I'd also say that I had the 17.4ah battery and that would be enough to go one direction in full assist without range anxiety on the way home. But if you hang out in level two, with the occasional jump to level 3 or sport, you'll easily be able to do your whole commute on one charge cycle which will extend battery life.

    As far as maintenance, I went through a motor and a controller in that time. I also broke the frame where the seat tube goes into the frame which was bizarre. You'll go through some spokes, I relaced my wheels with 11 gauge spokes and that stopped them breaking. If you go with the Juiced, I've got quite a few spare parts I can sell you. I've got 2 extra motors in wheels, an extra controller, brake pads, etc. Hell I'd even sell you my battery. It's all been taking up space in my work room collecting dust since April.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NovaEbike View Post
    I bought a Juiced Cross Current for my 40 mile roundtrip commute last year. I was doing ~200 miles a week on it for about 9 months until I lost enough weight and was strong enough to move to a regular bike. It was up to the task in my opinion. I commuted all summer and winter on it. The only battery degradation I saw was during the extreme cold snap in early January. I kept it (and charged it) in insulated workroom but it was only heated when I was in there. During that cold snap I had to move the battery and charger into the house to get a full charge. I'd also say that I had the 17.4ah battery and that would be enough to go one direction in full assist without range anxiety on the way home. But if you hang out in level two, with the occasional jump to level 3 or sport, you'll easily be able to do your whole commute on one charge cycle which will extend battery life.

    As far as maintenance, I went through a motor and a controller in that time. I also broke the frame where the seat tube goes into the frame which was bizarre. You'll go through some spokes, I relaced my wheels with 11 gauge spokes and that stopped them breaking. If you go with the Juiced, I've got quite a few spare parts I can sell you. I've got 2 extra motors in wheels, an extra controller, brake pads, etc. Hell I'd even sell you my battery. It's all been taking up space in my work room collecting dust since April.
    Thanks for the info! I've done the full commute on my Jamis Renegade commuter. Its doable a couple days a week, but I don't think I can get my fitness up to be able to do 5 days a week in a reasonable time long term. Perhaps with a faster road bike though...

    I'm curious how much the replacement parts were and if they were covered under warranty (mainly the motor and controller). I've gone through normal bike bits and pieces so know about those costs. Just not sure on motor and controller replacement costs. Cheers and see you on the roads!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebubar View Post
    I'm curious how much the replacement parts were and if they were covered under warranty (mainly the motor and controller). I've gone through normal bike bits and pieces so know about those costs. Just not sure on motor and controller replacement costs. Cheers and see you on the roads!
    They were really good about covering things under warranty, I didn't really pay for any of those even though I bought the bike from them as refurbished. It can be tough getting them to actually send things, you really gotta stay on them. When the first motor went out, they sent me a new motor and controller (in case that was the issue). The actually just sent a full rear wheel with the motor in it. I cracked a rim as well (rear) and tried to buy one from them (just the rim), it was on backorder but when it came in, they just sent it to me for free. To my surprise, they just sent me another rear wheel with a motor in it. Thus, all the extra parts.

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    I've considered the Juiced, but looking at the options in the price range, I think I like the RadPower Radcity more. I've actually considered going full cargo bike and getting a Radwagon...but my commute is only 25 miles round trip, so I really would only want the e-bike for lazy days or errand days, so a cargo bike makes sense. If I was going to be commuting on it full time, I'd go for a regular frame.

    Interestingly, I find the cheaper bikes more attractive because I like the idea of having a throttle, which would greatly add to my ability to ride 25 miles in my work clothes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoWheelsDC View Post
    I like the idea of having a throttle, which would greatly add to my ability to ride 25 miles in my work clothes.
    Maybe for the Rad bikes I haven't tried them, but on my 250W bafang mid-drive the throttle is more like telling the bike to "gee-up", I actually like that as I only use it to get going or low speed manouvering up alongside traffic when I'm next to the curb. That being said there's nothing wrong with the motor, it assists me up some fairly steep hills at 8mph in low gear on my Nexus 8 IGH, eg up to Ft Scott Park from 4 Mile Run the other day which I found mildly astonishing.

    As for the OP, full retail on the Stromer ST2 S is $10 grand, $6-7 grand would get you a dual battery 1,000wh Bosch speed pedelec like the Riese & Muller Charger GX Touring HS, or Supercharger GT Touring HS, from Electricity Bikes in Tenleytown. You could spend under $5 grand if you went DIY, Grin Tech could outfit you with a direct drive hub motor, bottom bracket pedal torque sensor plus throttle, programmable controller, Allcell 1100wh battery with an 8a fast charger, to fit on your choice of touring bicycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoWheelsDC View Post
    I've considered the Juiced, but looking at the options in the price range, I think I like the RadPower Radcity more. I've actually considered going full cargo bike and getting a Radwagon...but my commute is only 25 miles round trip, so I really would only want the e-bike for lazy days or errand days, so a cargo bike makes sense. If I was going to be commuting on it full time, I'd go for a regular frame.

    Interestingly, I find the cheaper bikes more attractive because I like the idea of having a throttle, which would greatly add to my ability to ride 25 miles in my work clothes.
    Thus far i've got two commuting rides on the Juiced. It performs well. Cuts about 30 minutes off my commute each way, so I gain an hour of my day back. Not too shabby. Its worked great for a couple of grocery trips as well. I'll just consider it my cargo bike. It certainly handles like one (the thing is a tank).

    I like the Rad bikes, but none have a big enough honking battery for the distances I need to cover. I'm planning for a pretty big loss in charging power during the cold winter months and have read that keeping the charge between 20-80 is ideal for longevity so a bigger pack was essential. Juiced and Stromer were the only I could find with such large packs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebubar View Post
    Thus far i've got two commuting rides on the Juiced. It performs well. Cuts about 30 minutes off my commute each way, so I gain an hour of my day back. Not too shabby. Its worked great for a couple of grocery trips as well. I'll just consider it my cargo bike. It certainly handles like one (the thing is a tank).

    I like the Rad bikes, but none have a big enough honking battery for the distances I need to cover. I'm planning for a pretty big loss in charging power during the cold winter months and have read that keeping the charge between 20-80 is ideal for longevity so a bigger pack was essential. Juiced and Stromer were the only I could find with such large packs.
    Ah, yeah, the Juiced does have that bigger battery option.

    Soooo....I just ordered a RadWagon. The 2018 models have a 20% bigger battery, so that helps bridge the gap between the Rad and the Juiced. I think if I were going for a normal hybrid style bike, I mightíve gone with the Juiced because they look better. But I figured if I was really getting this for the utility, Iíd go whole hog and get the cargo bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoWheelsDC View Post
    Ah, yeah, the Juiced does have that bigger battery option.

    Soooo....I just ordered a RadWagon. The 2018 models have a 20% bigger battery, so that helps bridge the gap between the Rad and the Juiced. I think if I were going for a normal hybrid style bike, I mightíve gone with the Juiced because they look better. But I figured if I was really getting this for the utility, Iíd go whole hog and get the cargo bike.
    Damn it. Now Iím considering buying a radwagon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Judd View Post
    Damn it. Now Iím considering buying a radwagon.


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    Iíll let you know how it goes. Once this forum has a Juiced and a Rad, we can do all sorts of comparisons.

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