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    Quote Originally Posted by scoot View Post
    Do you actually use the bike lane on Clarendon Cannonball?
    Yup. I know I am in the minority here, but I rarely take a lane if riding solo. When on a bike I view myself more as a pedestrian than a vehicle. I tend towards box turn lefts, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve O View Post
    Hold on. Did you study the map?
    I completely agree that you believe your route is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by accordioneur View Post
    Yup. I know I am in the minority here, but I rarely take a lane if riding solo. When on a bike I view myself more as a pedestrian than a vehicle. I tend towards box turn lefts, too.
    Can't resist my two cents. When I am on a bike, well I am on a bike. Neither a pedestrian, nor a vehicle capable of going 25 mph on a flat. I make my choices accordingly. But topography matters. On uphill grades above 5% where I can't manage 9mph, I am less "vehicular ". But on a steep downgrade I can manage 25 or even 30 mph. At this point its only habit that, for example, keeps me using the downhill bike lane on North Hampton from Braddock to Fords Lane. But that is a residential area with low parking turnover. On Clarendon I imagine parking turnover is higher, so dooring risk is higher.

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    In terms of cyclists taking the lane in areas where there's a bike lane, I also fear that non-cyclists will see that and think, "gosh, we ruined a perfectly good travel lane to make room for a bike lane and these crazy cyclists don't even use it," which could increase opposition to further bike infrastructure.

    OAT, I tried part of SteveO's suggested route through Rosslyn today. The use of the 17th St. bridge to cross over Ft. Myer Drive is clever, but I did have a car on my tail up 17th and down the ramp as I negotiated the complicated merge onto N. Lynn. I felt it was trading one set of traffic problems for another, but it's always nice to have alternatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by accordioneur View Post
    In terms of cyclists taking the lane in areas where there's a bike lane, I also fear that non-cyclists will see that and think, "gosh, we ruined a perfectly good travel lane to make room for a bike lane and these crazy cyclists don't even use it," which could increase opposition to further bike infrastructure.
    One hopes that people who drive there regularly will note the people on bikes struggling slowly up the hill in the bike lane in the other direction, and conclude that speed and gradient might have something to do with different behavior in the downhill direction.

    But not everyone thinks like that, so sure, some will just see it as those damned scofflaw spandex wearing Lance wannabes wanting their bike lane and STILL not using it. But if they raise that in any public forum, they are not likely to get taken too seriously, as all local transportation officials are aware of speeds and gradients, and know that such downhill doorzone bike lanes are usually striped for traffic calming more than for the benefit of people on bikes.

    Personally I am all for optics of all kinds, but will not actually place myself in serious physical danger for the sake of optics. Of course if you ARE very interested in the optics of unused bike lanes, I can (semi obsessively) repeat that commuting to NSF via the King Street bike lanes would be great for the cause (and you would even get to ride in a similar downhill lane on the part of King Street south of Janneys, but there you would only encounter twigs and other crap in the lane, not car doors)
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    Quote Originally Posted by accordioneur View Post
    In terms of cyclists taking the lane in areas where there's a bike lane, I also fear that non-cyclists will see that and think, "gosh, we ruined a perfectly good travel lane to make room for a bike lane and these crazy cyclists don't even use it," which could increase opposition to further bike infrastructure.
    This is not a concern I can bother with. If infra is substandard or dangerous, I will happily refuse to use it. The downhill bike lane toward Rosslyn is definitely one I will not use as apparently intended, as is the door-zone lane on the downhill on Lee passing by a Dunkin' Donuts (at N. Monroe). People park there and quickly throw their doors open to dash in for coffee, and it doesn't matter to me that the designers apparently thought cyclists going downhill on a curve where a door could seriously hurt someone was a splendid idea or whether the BMW behind me blowing the horn (actually happened) agrees that I should be there.

    Gravel and glass in the bike lane since the cars strew it there but the streets are never cleaned? Same thing.

    Also, it kind of already is some peoples' perception. I read in comment sections fairly often complaints from noncyclists that cyclists don't use the lanes provided. Given the reflexive hostility toward cyclists exhibited by some, I just can't worry.

    There is no solution to this mess, but if there were a solution, it would be to get pretty much everybody out on a bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordofthemark View Post
    commuting to NSF via the King Street bike lanes would be great for the cause
    We're not moving our business to King Street. You Alexandria ganevim already stole NSF and PTO from us. Genuk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by accordioneur View Post
    We're not moving our business to King Street. You Alexandria ganevim already stole NSF and PTO from us. Genuk!
    "Wherever I go, I am going to Eisenhower East" One of the more obscure sayings of Rabbi Nachman of Bratslav.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve O View Post
    Hold on. Did you study the map?
    Quote Originally Posted by accordioneur View Post
    I completely agree that you believe your route is awesome.
    My route is not awesome, but mostly tolerable. You kept mentioning Ft. Myer Drive, which my route avoids entirely, which is why I wondered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve O View Post
    My route is not awesome, but mostly tolerable. You kept mentioning Ft. Myer Drive, which my route avoids entirely, which is why I wondered.
    I rode Ft Meyer Dr almost every day for seven years. How else was I supposed to get from the Intersection of Doom to SA-6, I liked Nash even less. What's it like these days?

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