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    So I have a Garmin 510. It's maybe 2-3 years old. It's mostly fine, except that I usually have to turn bluetooth off then back on to get it to upload a ride through my phone.

    Right now, for the second time in a week, it's had trouble saving a ride. Last time it never saved and just ate the ride. This time it hasn't gotten there yet, but it's been saving for like 10 minutes. The ride was just a quick errand, like 1.5 miles, so it's not like there's a ton to save. After the first time I did a factory reset, figuring maybe it just needed to clear out old stuff.

    Shoot, as I type this, I realize that doing a factory reset probably undoes whatever updates I've applied and now I'm likely way behind on my updates. But the problem happened once before that, so it remains a concern. And yes, I know the rule is never update your Garmin, but I have a real problem with ignoring electronic notifications.

    Anyone have any similar problems, or, more importantly, solutions? I keep telling my wife I'm going to upgrade my GPS and she can have this one (her GPS I bought used and doesn't even have bluetooth, the horror) but she seems to regard this as a corollary to the S-1 rule. I think she's crazy - I get a better GPS, she gets a better GPS, everyone wins, right?

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    The 510 had an early problem of losing rides. Garmin came out with a software update to fix this. The update was noticeable, because it would take a lot longer to save the ride (maybe 20 seconds, instead of the usual 5 seconds). I'm not a computer guy so I don't know exactly what it did, but I imagined it throttled the data so that it could double and triple checking every byte or trackpoint or whatever as it saved it. I've never lost a ride with my 510, although it's not my primary computer now.

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    Slightly OT, but my Android phone is crap at this as well. Every now and then it will just not upload a ride. I've lost 30 #BAFS2018 miles this year. Following Strava's online instructions simply resulted in one 25-mile ride just disappearing altogether so I couldn't even export it manually. We have these little annoying technological miracles, and I never can decide if I should be grateful or annoyed.

    Threads like this are why I have not bothered to get a Garmin. I mean, I can lose my miles for free just using my phone.
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    Not that it helps you now, but FWIW, there was a lively discussion the DC Randonneurs e-mail list several months ago with a LOT of positive reviews for the Wahoo ELEMNT and ELEMNT Bolt. All have their pros and cons, but there seem to be far less software issues with the Wahoo for now.

    No idea why this is such an issue for Garmin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creadinger View Post
    Not that it helps you now, but FWIW, there was a lively discussion the DC Randonneurs e-mail list several months ago with a LOT of positive reviews for the Wahoo ELEMNT and ELEMNT Bolt. All have their pros and cons, but there seem to be far less software issues with the Wahoo for now.

    No idea why this is such an issue for Garmin.
    Never having had a Garmin (so I can't speak to it): I have not had any significant software issues with either my Lezyne Super GPS (used for ~9 months) nor my Wahoo ELEMNT (used for ~6 months or so by now). After some initial growing pains with frequent firmware updates from Lezyne (mostly just connectivity issues for me at first that may also have been phone-related; I never lost a ride). The only reason I switched to the ELEMNT was for the improved mapping capabilities and the built-in WiFi (automatically uploads when I get home...or I can upload away from home through the phone app/Bluetooth connection).

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    Quote Originally Posted by creadinger View Post
    Not that it helps you now, but FWIW, there was a lively discussion the DC Randonneurs e-mail list several months ago with a LOT of positive reviews for the Wahoo ELEMNT and ELEMNT Bolt. All have their pros and cons, but there seem to be far less software issues with the Wahoo for now.

    No idea why this is such an issue for Garmin.
    I don't as well. Mine have all been bulletproof. From what I have been reading it is often but not always the owner not clearing out 2 years of old rides in storage and /or turning off automatic updates.

    Making and tracking Looooong bike rides seem to be hard for most gps devices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creadinger View Post
    Not that it helps you now, but FWIW, there was a lively discussion the DC Randonneurs e-mail list several months ago with a LOT of positive reviews for the Wahoo ELEMNT and ELEMNT Bolt. All have their pros and cons, but there seem to be far less software issues with the Wahoo for now.

    No idea why this is such an issue for Garmin.
    Yeah, the 510 was a pretty terrible device. (That is my backup device. I lent it to Steve O once and I think it completely failed him.)

    I chatted with two ELEMNT owners on my ride this AM. It sounds like a much better product both in terms of features (at least the ones I care about -- I don't care much about Garmin's fancy workouts) and general reliability. My Garmin 1000 is infuriating at times (it needs at least one hard reset a week), but it works well enough to get by. As soon as it's dead, though, I am getting an ELEMNT Bolt.

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    For my next GPS I would really like decent mapping. I want turn by turn directions. Beyond that as long as it shows how fast I'm going and how far I've gone and syncs to Strava without me doing anything non-trivial, I'm happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrenaut View Post
    For my next GPS I would really like decent mapping. I want turn by turn directions. Beyond that as long as it shows how fast I'm going and how far I've gone and syncs to Strava without me doing anything non-trivial, I'm happy.
    I think other than being B&W (instead of color) the ELEMNT (and ELEMNT Bolt) has good mapping and turn-by-turn nav. I like that they also flash a led on side/direction of upcoming turn (in addition to beeping).

    The maps on the Garmin are nice, I will say that. And the turn-by-turn, when it is working (bit mood-dependent there), works well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hozn View Post
    I think other than being B&W (instead of color) the ELEMNT (and ELEMNT Bolt) has good mapping and turn-by-turn nav. I like that they also flash a led on side/direction of upcoming turn (in addition to beeping).

    The maps on the Garmin are nice, I will say that. And the turn-by-turn, when it is working (bit mood-dependent there), works well.
    Not sure I mentioned this in the hijacked "longer gravel ride" thread or not, but I'll say it here anyway: I think the ELEMNT does a great job with turn-by-turn navigation as well as giving you a graphical depiction of how far off course you are if you miss a turn/decide to check something out "over there"/etc. It isn't the prettiest, and doesn't re-route on the fly, since the stored maps lack street names but is just the grid layer (i.e., it has the street grid saved on the unit for basically the entire globe pre-loaded, but only knows street names for the purpose of giving you directions in a given route), but for the price point and (knock on wood) stability, I've been thrilled with it.

    And the automatic upload/sync to Strava via WiFi is great; my rides usually are uploaded before I get in the house.

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