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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett L. View Post
    The stock hubs on the Jamis Renegade exploit. Just got back from the LBS - bearings are actually in fairly decent condition but the free hub is completely shot. The nubbies thingers are shearing off significantly, visible to the naked eye. We're going to replace.

    We've decided on going with a DT Swiss 350 hub 12*142mm thru axle classic with DT comp spokes.

    We're struggling to find a rim though. Stock rims are WTB i23 STS, so looking for something of similar size. Tyres I'd like to reuse are 700*38c tubeless. I need something that can handle a minimum of 280lbs system weight, but struggling to find something more than 260lbs. Could use suggestions? I have no concern about looking in MTB market as well.
    Just to add another anecdotal data point, I've got a 2017 Renegade Expert, which has the same wheels as the Exploit. I haven't trashed my hubs yet, but I did develop hairline cracks around the majority of the spoke holes of the rear wheel. Apparently WTB doesn't make the ST series (ST, STp, STs) so we replaced them with KOM i23 29er rims which also required different spoke lengths. Relaced to the same Formula hubs. As far as system weight goes, would it make sense to explore 36H options?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hozn View Post
    I assume there must be damage to the hubs shell too? Otherwise replacing the wheel is not necessary; freehub bodies are probably bless than $50 for that hub. If your rims are fine despite trashing the hubs, why not stick with i23s? Even the one you already own?

    If you are set on getting different rims, I'd vote for Stans Arch rims. Or a DT Swiss rim; there are a bazillion, so find some balance of weight and durability.

    I run 40mm tires on DT R460db rims, which are extremely good value ($37/rim) and take a good beating. But they are not super wide (18mm internal) and I have no idea whether they would be appropriate for your weight.
    Sorry, it's not just the freehub body. I am really beyond my knowledge of bike stuff here. Am i correct in understanding that the freehub body is the device that holds the cassette, and is detachable from the main part of the hub? There was some damage to the ratchet thinger that interfaces with the hub. However, there was also tremendous amount of damage on the part of the hub still attached to the spokes where it interfaces with the freehub body.

    I unfortunately will not be able to run the R460 rims on this bike. The max system weight is only 232 lbs (110kg), which seems to be quite a common limiter in the market. I put the RR511 on the road bike which brings me up to 286 lbs, but only has the internal rim width of 18mm. Is there a particular reason my LBS would prefer to stick within the same 23mm +/- internal rim width range that came stock with the bike? Note that I am not currently planning on replacing the front wheel as of yet.

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    All things being equal, I would probably pick the wider rim. Nothing wrong with 23mm rims for gravel or MTB. My point was more that you could also go for a narrower rim (I wouldn't go narrower than 18mm) if you wanted. Wider rims will widen the tire profile a bit. They also increase stiffness. And weigh more.

    Anyway, if you have had positive experience with the i23, I would just tell them to re-lace your current rim to a new hub -- or if the shop can get you that rim for a good price, getting a new one may not be a terrible idea. I believe those rims are known for cracking at the spokes (if laced with too much tension?) so having an experienced wheel builder put them together (maybe using nipple washers!) is probably a good idea.

    I don't have any first-hand experience with DT350 rear hubs, but the crowd says they're good. I am about to build my first wheelset with some to-be-rebuilt DT350 hubs to try them out. I like Hope hubs, though, and wouldn't hesitate to recommend them to someone that is hard on hubs.

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    Thanks! I do appreciate your insight on this. Now hopefully I can find something. The DT Swiss 533d seems to be about the only rim I can find that can support my weight along with load I plan to carry, that is also tubeless in the 23mm internal width range. Apparently, it's only sold as part of a wheelset though....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birru View Post
    Just to add another anecdotal data point, I've got a 2017 Renegade Expert, which has the same wheels as the Exploit. I haven't trashed my hubs yet, but I did develop hairline cracks around the majority of the spoke holes of the rear wheel. Apparently WTB doesn't make the ST series (ST, STp, STs) so we replaced them with KOM i23 29er rims which also required different spoke lengths. Relaced to the same Formula hubs. As far as system weight goes, would it make sense to explore 36H options?
    And I appreciate that info. Pretty much seals the deal on getting a new rim.

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    Just to follow up - I don't know why I didn't see this before, but we're going with the DT Swiss R 500 rim. 22mm internal width, 32 spokes, 286lbs weight limit, tubeless ready.

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    Good luck, Brett! It would be nice to see some photos of your damaged freehub and the new freehub and rim.

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    Whichever wheel you build, important to have inner tube-based back sling for transport

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