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    Didn't get a good look as I drove past, but saw enough to know there was another bike / car crash at Columbia Pike & Washington Blvd this morning around 9am. I hope everyone involved is ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris_s View Post
    Didn't get a good look as I drove past, but saw enough to know there was another bike / car crash at Columbia Pike & Washington Blvd this morning around 9am. I hope everyone involved is ok.
    Going which direction? I avoid this intersection if at all possible, by going through Ft Myer. (Temporary pass/ID is available to civilians who live in the neighborhood.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris_s View Post
    Didn't get a good look as I drove past, but saw enough to know there was another bike / car crash at Columbia Pike & Washington Blvd this morning around 9am. I hope everyone involved is ok.
    VDOT was not our friend when they rebuilt the bridge. Could you tell if it was in the road or on the sidewalk? There's a lot of problems with cars exiting Washington Blvd on to the Pike without stopping or looking. I was taking the sidepath for a while on the way home but started taking the lane instead after a few too many instances where my life was spared solely because I was biking very defensively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judd View Post
    VDOT was not our friend when they rebuilt the bridge. Could you tell if it was in the road or on the sidewalk? There's a lot of problems with cars exiting Washington Blvd on to the Pike without stopping or looking. I was taking the sidepath for a while on the way home but started taking the lane instead after a few too many instances where my life was spared solely because I was biking very defensively.
    Looked to me like they the bike was heading Eastbound down the north-side sidewalk/sidepath and collided with a car that was coming off the ramp from eastbound Washington Blvd. Couldn't tell what lane the car had been in so not sure if it was a "bike had the walk signal but car turned right on red into them" or "bike disregarded the signal and was hit by a car" or what.


    Again, no idea what lane of that three lane ramp the car was in nor do I know if they were trying to go straight, left or right.

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    I came by there by car about 9:00am, perhaps a couple of minutes after this happened. Bike propped up off the side, rider on the deck, helmet still on, being tended to, smashed windshield on the SUV. Location of mishap matches the map above, in the crosswalk.

    Regardless of what direction the rider was going, even if you have the light and the walk signal, you just HOPE a vehicle on the off ramp sees you...

    More detail- the rider appeared to be conscious, and had his head propped up. No rescue response just yet.
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    Does anyone have an update on this mishap, and the rider's condition?

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    John Harpold of Papillon Cycles speaks his mind: https://www.arlnow.com/2018/01/04/lo...columbia-pike/

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    Cross posted:

    I put in a request for No-Right-on Red at this intersection. Today I received this response:

    Hi Steve Offutt,
    swang posted a comment on Signal Analysis Request #6282839, a request you reported.
    COMMENT
    Shuchun Wang:
    Thank you for submitting this request. We have studied sight distance, crash history, right-turn volume and signal operations at this intersection. Based on the analysis, a No Turn on Red restriction for the southbound approach are not recommended at this time.Aug 23, 2019,12:16 PM EDT by Shuchun Wang (This is visible to Everyone)
    https://iframe.publicstuff.com/#?cli...est_id=6282839
    Please do not reply directly to this email.
    Thanks!
    Arlington

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve O View Post
    Cross posted:

    I put in a request for No-Right-on Red at this intersection. Today I received this response:

    Hi Steve Offutt,
    swang posted a comment on Signal Analysis Request #6282839, a request you reported.
    COMMENT
    Shuchun Wang:
    Thank you for submitting this request. We have studied sight distance, crash history, right-turn volume and signal operations at this intersection. Based on the analysis, a No Turn on Red restriction for the southbound approach are not recommended at this time.Aug 23, 2019,12:16 PM EDT by Shuchun Wang (This is visible to Everyone)
    https://iframe.publicstuff.com/#?cli...est_id=6282839
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    OK. What do we do next? Apart from Guerilla Signage?

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    I thought we had "achieved" at least one of the triggers in the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices

    Section 2B.54 No Turn on Red Signs (R10-11 Series, R10-17a, and R10-30)
    Standard:
    01 Where a right turn on red (or a left turn on red from a one-way street to a one-way street) is to be
    prohibited, a symbolic NO TURN ON RED (symbolic circular red) (R10-11) sign (see Figure 2B-27) or a
    NO TURN ON RED (R10-11a, R10-11b) word message sign (see Figure 2B-27) shall be used.
    Guidance:
    02 If used, the No Turn on Red sign should be installed near the appropriate signal head.
    03 A No Turn on Red sign should be considered when an engineering study finds that one or more of the
    following conditions exists:
    A. Inadequate sight distance to vehicles approaching from the left (or right, if applicable);
    B. Geometrics or operational characteristics of the intersection that might result in unexpected conflicts;
    C. An exclusive pedestrian phase;
    D. An unacceptable number of pedestrian conflicts with right-turn-on-red maneuvers, especially involving
    children, older pedestrians, or persons with disabilities;

    E. More than three right-turn-on-red accidents reported in a 12-month period for the particular approach; or
    F. The skew angle of the intersecting roadways creates difficulty for drivers to see traffic approaching from
    their left.

    Maybe this sign might both increase awareness and possibly encourage enforcement

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    Along those lines, I see a public comment effort to eliminate the word accident from the MUTCD.

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