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    I get the sense that a few current and former participants have been down on BAFS the past couple of years, perhaps in part due to the increase in numbers and in part due to a sense that it's become too competitive. I gather that some have even stopped participating. So, I just want to put in a good word for the event.

    Last year was my first FS and, along with SafeTrack, it was instrumental in making the bike my default mode of transportation. I rode as much during the competition as I had ridden the entire previous year. I met great people, explored new routes that I still frequent, finally went clipless, and generally had a great time. Racking up points for a team was just the motivation I needed. (SteveO's Freeze Points were fantastic, too).

    I'll be in northern India for most of this year's competition and am not sure I want to commit to regular riding there. We'll see.

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    I really do like Steve O's idea of incorporating participation in games into the scoring, but it's technically difficult and probably not possible without at least a couple volunteers to record who came to what. And that doesn't even get into figuring out how to translate participation into points. That could get bloody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrenaut View Post
    I want BAFS to make people 1) Ride more in the winter and 2) Ride with other people.
    I would just point out that for some of us, riding with other people is painful both for us and for the other people. I was very active last year -- team captain, riding a lot, and organizing and participating in social events -- in addition to my work on registration and recruiting volunteers. But I only get up to 10 mph on an extraordinarily good day. I slow down the whole party on group rides, feel self-conscious, and don't enjoy myself at all. If that becomes a requirement for Freezing Saddles, I'm out of here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvcalhoun View Post
    I would just point out that for some of us, riding with other people is painful both for us and for the other people. I was very active last year -- team captain, riding a lot, and organizing and participating in social events -- in addition to my work on registration and recruiting volunteers. But I only get up to 10 mph on an extraordinarily good day. I slow down the whole party on group rides, feel self-conscious, and don't enjoy myself at all. If that becomes a requirement for Freezing Saddles, I'm out of here.
    No, not a requirement, just encouraged. And by "riding with" I don't just mean in a big group all together. For BAFS I would consider it "riding with" if you met some teammates for coffee or beer or capture the flag or even just a quick fist bump before going your separate ways. And one team member could get there by taking a mile long sleaze ride on Bikeshare while another gets there at the tail end of a fixed gear double century.

    The way you play BAFS is great. You're active, you participate, you have fun. This is perfect. It is in no way my intention to discourage anyone who is actively participating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvcalhoun View Post
    I would just point out that for some of us, riding with other people is painful both for us and for the other people. I was very active last year -- team captain, riding a lot, and organizing and participating in social events -- in addition to my work on registration and recruiting volunteers. But I only get up to 10 mph on an extraordinarily good day. I slow down the whole party on group rides, feel self-conscious, and don't enjoy myself at all. If that becomes a requirement for Freezing Saddles, I'm out of here.
    Ebike rides/miles allowed for FS group rides only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrenaut View Post
    I think we should institute a participation minimum. Every Monday morning, if you're not averaging 4 ride days or 3 ride days and at least 25 miles per week, you lose your spot..
    If it's 20 degrees for a week and there is snow and /or ice, I might ride 3 days, 1 mile per day. But not 25 miles. Can we make it just ride 3 days a week, at least a mile? Isn't that one of the goals /fun of FS - to get us out there even when it's terrible, even for a short ride?!

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    Rather than having some sort of arbitrary lower limit on riding, why not just leave it to the team captains? If a team captain believes a team member has effectively left the competition, they can contact the referee (Sunyata) with a request/justification for removing/replacing the rider. If the referee deems a removal request is justified, she makes it happen. If not, she either says "wait a few more days" or "your request is dumb" or whatever and her decision stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by streetsmarts View Post
    If it's 20 degrees for a week and there is snow and /or ice, I might ride 3 days, 1 mile per day. But not 25 miles. Can we make it just ride 3 days a week, at least a mile? Isn't that one of the goals /fun of FS - to get us out there even when it's terrible, even for a short ride?!
    Eh, maybe. Three sleaze rides in a week seems like a pretty minimal effort. If we get a huge snow or ice storm that lasts for a couple days maybe we could make an exception, but how often does that really happen? If your neighborhood is really unsafe to the point you can't make the minimum, you can always get in touch and make your case.

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    Instead of having to track minimum participation, would it be easier if scores where just comprised of the points from the top X number of riders on each team? As an example, each team has 10 riders, you only take the top 8 scores, so teams that lost a rider or had someone flake out wouldn't be penalized.

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    I'm really struggling with this topic. Year two of BAFS was my first year, and it worked for me in all the ways it was supposed to: it got me to ride through winter for the first time, it introduced me to cycling friends I still meet up with, and it was competitive in a really great way. Lately, it just seems like half the people who sign up just want to be able to talk about being in this crazy competition when they're standing around the water cooler at work, but they don't really want to participate. The game seems to work well when the players are invested and feel at least somewhat responsible for contributing to the team effort. If we will literally take anybody and not have any standard for participation, it's not a game worth playing. I'm all for advocacy, but I don't think BAFS was conceived as an advocacy initiative.

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