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    Default Idaho comes to Delaware

    From the Washcycle:
    http://www.thewashcycle.com/2017/10/...yield-law.html
    Delaware Governor signs limited Stop-as-Yield law

    Yesterday, Delaware became the 2nd state to put in place an Idaho Stop law, though it's not as expansive as the Idaho version. Governor John Carney signed the "Bicycle Friendly Delaware Act" that, among other things, allows cyclists to treat stop signs as yield signs (the stop-as-yield half of the Idaho law) but only on two lane roads. The law also prohibits drivers from honking their horns at cyclists, unless a collision is imminent, requires drivers to change lanes when passing cyclists and calls for the installation of bicycle-specific traffic lights.

    It also removes the "ride right" requirement. Gov. Carney also signed a separate law that enhances the penalties for drivers who cause serious physical injury to a cyclist and gives jurisdiction over these violations to Delaware Superior Court, which handles the more serious criminal cases in the state.

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    If I never hear of Idaho Stop again, I'd die a happy man.

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    When I lived in Wilmington, Delaware in 2001, I tried bike commuting for about a week, and found driver behavior toward me as a cyclist to be so terrifying that I didn't try it again until after I moved here. The Idaho laws, and now the Delaware laws, make it illegal for motorists to terrorize cyclists; that's way more important than being able to roll through a stop sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkel View Post
    When I lived in Wilmington, Delaware in 2001, I tried bike commuting for about a week, and found driver behavior toward me as a cyclist to be so terrifying that I didn't try it again until after I moved here.
    Oddly enough, it's the same in Idaho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkel View Post
    that's way more important than being able to roll through a stop sign.
    I've biked in Delaware on four different occasions and have liked it each time. I didn't experience any issues with driver behavior. I did some highway riding each time and for the most part the highways had shoulders that were also marked bike lanes.

    Agree with dkel that the stop sign piece doesn't matter. The biggest win here is the requirement to fully change lanes when passing, which is theoretically much easier to enforce than a 3 foot passing law. (Don't know how prevalent this problem is in Delaware or whether anything is enforced anyway.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judd View Post
    I've biked in Delaware on four different occasions and have liked it each time. I didn't experience any issues with driver behavior. I did some highway riding each time and for the most part the highways had shoulders that were also marked bike lanes.
    Cycling in Delaware has improved vastly since I lived there. Every time I visit there, it seems like there are more and more bike lanes. I don't remember a single bike lane from the days I lived there, but that was quite a while ago now.

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    I do like the Deleware stop. As an advocate having something 90% of riders do anyway be illegal creates problems. I also like that the Delaware stop is the less controversial version of the Idaho, and only applies approaching roads of no more than two lanes. But I agree the other parts of the law are quite important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordofthemark View Post
    90% of riders do anyway
    That's not true, or at least you can't prove it is. It certainly doesn't match what I see.

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    Treating a stop as yield, where the crossroad is one or two lanes? And there is no cross traffic, either cars or peds? At least occasionally? Probably higher than 90%. (I am excluding people on bikes who never leave the sidewalk)

    And we usually don't ask for proof of personal observations in thus forum. I know you dislike the Idaho stop in all its forms, illegal and legal alike, and I also know there has been some bad feeling in the forum lately, but I do think people are more persuasive when polite.
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    90% sounds about right to me. Probably higher. Every now and then there is someone that completely stops and puts a foot down at the stop sign even when there's no traffic. In a car that is normal, but on bike it is weird. But that is pretty rare -- cycling's 1% . I always ensure that I can stop and I stop and yield to cars that get to their stop sign first; often they wave me through, sometimes they treat me like a vehicle and go ahead; I am happy in either scenario. But otherwise I do like almost all cyclists and roll through after making sure it's clear.

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