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    To avoid the Maine Avenue "cycletrack," which really in an area like this is just another place for pedestrians to wander through obliviously, we've started taking 9th to G to 4th (going to Audi Field). On the way home, we've been taking the lane on Maine. I really don't understand the thought behind a cycletrack in an area like this. Too many businesses, people, and cars cutting across to be anything like safe or expedient. I feel like it was just put there to get bikes out of cars' way on the road, but it ends at a sidewalk (southbound) anyway so you still have to ride on Maine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emm View Post
    Those signs have been there awhile. It's a little confusing to have a cycle track with yield to pedestrian signs. It really just reinforces that it's a giant sidewalk.

    They also finally added crosswalk signals across the sidewalk/cycle track at one of the intersections with lights near the fish market. For awhile there were cars who had a green light flying across the cycle track/sidewalk, and unless you knew to look over and across the street for their light, no indication that this was an actual intersection and not just another driveway situation. Only issue is the signals are not where you'd expect them to be, so I still see bikes and peds walking directly in front of cars there without realizing there's a crosswalk signal to look out for.
    I thought that the signs refer to pedestrians crossing the cycle track, not on the cycle track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huskerdont View Post
    To avoid the Maine Avenue "cycletrack," which really in an area like this is just another place for pedestrians to wander through obliviously, we've started taking 9th to G to 4th (going to Audi Field). On the way home, we've been taking the lane on Maine. I really don't understand the thought behind a cycletrack in an area like this. Too many businesses, people, and cars cutting across to be anything like safe or expedient. I feel like it was just put there to get bikes out of cars' way on the road, but it ends at a sidewalk (southbound) anyway so you still have to ride on Maine.
    I assume that the when Phase 2 is built the cycle track will continue southbound and merge with the existing path south of M and then east at the Titanic Memorial and onto P Street.

    4th Street, which you mentioned, south of M is currently a mess due to FIOS installation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huskerdont View Post
    we've started taking 9th to G to 4th (going to Audi Field). On the way home, we've been taking the lane on Maine.
    I do exactly this, but just at the opposite times. Take the lane on Maine leaving the city in the AM and Banneker>9th>G back toward Capitol Hill in the PM...only difference is I cut south on 3rd because it's an easier left turn to get onto I than 4th is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ursus View Post
    I thought that the signs refer to pedestrians crossing the cycle track, not on the cycle track.
    Just because you (wisely) think that's what it means, doesn't mean the pedestrians walking around interpret it that way too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emm View Post
    Just because you (wisely) think that's what it means, doesn't mean the pedestrians walking around interpret it that way too
    True. I don't expect the pedestrians who can't decipher the pictures with arrows showing where pedestrians should be and where bikes should be, to be able to read.

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    I saw why I hadn't noticed the yield to peds signs - they are absurdly high for cyclist who is actually focused carefully on, well, not hitting pedestrians. They also should explicitly say "yield to pedestrians in crosswalk" and they should be placed closer to where pedestrians cross - which should be, yes, marked crosswalks (actually they should be more like the signs on certain highway exit ramps, except they would work better here, because riders on a PBL are slower than motorists on an exit ramp) All of this can be changed with paint and signs, no reconstruction needed.

    Thinking again about the PBL in general, I think it bothers us because it is, as the young people say, a "liminal space". If it were just a wide sidewalk, I think we would be glad that its not a narrow sidewalk - and would accept that its A. Useful to people arriving and originating there B. To the subset of riders who prefer not to take the lane C. That by being wider it somewhat eases conflicts between sidewalk riders and peds D. That anyone riding there has to be wary of both peds, and traffic emerging from garages/side streets.

    This "PBL" does all those - except it has better bike/ped separation (and a better surface) than that.

    BTW, speaking of wide sidewalks, I think the part near the fish market which is NOT a PBL, is wider and better now than what I remember from before reconstruction.

    These days, going EB in the AM, I take the PBL probably close to 100% of the time. Going WB in the PM, I take it probably about 50 to 60% of the time. I find it a satisfactory alternative mostly.
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    So today, I was returning home going southbound on the protected bike line. There was a mother with a baby carriage who had let her baby (toddler is probably a better description) out of the carriage, and (s)he was sitting calmly in the bike line and playing with something.

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    This isn't the correct thread to post this, but I figured this post would reach the appropriate people here. It can, of course, be posted elsewhere also.

    A little less than a year ago, we wanted to have a morning coffee gathering at the District Hardware and Bike store at the current southern end of the DC Wharf. It turned out that it wasn't really open yet.

    Now that it has been in business for sometime, is anyone interested in trying to do this again? The selling window opens at 7 AM and the store itself at 8 AM. If we decide to meet before 8 AM, the tables they set up outside may or may not be available yet, but in any case there are some tables in the small park south of the store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ursus View Post
    This isn't the correct thread to post this, but I figured this post would reach the appropriate people here. It can, of course, be posted elsewhere also.

    A little less than a year ago, we wanted to have a morning coffee gathering at the District Hardware and Bike store at the current southern end of the DC Wharf. It turned out that it wasn't really open yet.

    Now that it has been in business for sometime, is anyone interested in trying to do this again? The selling window opens at 7 AM and the store itself at 8 AM. If we decide to meet before 8 AM, the tables they set up outside may or may not be available yet, but in any case there are some tables in the small park south of the store.

    I will be away this Friday, but I am interested.

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