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    Saw Judas Priest a few weeks back at the Anthem, and it seems to me there is absolutely now way this PBL can ever be effectively and safely used during peak hours. It doesn't matter whether pedestrians are Breaking the Law or acting foolishly, I'll just take the lane and Head Out to the Highway rather than end up Screaming for Vengeance or taking a Painkiller. Such are the Sad Wings of Destiny with planners committing Sin After Sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordofthemark View Post
    That is not in fact the case. While there are pedestrians, anyone comfortable riding slowly on a crowded trail should be able to ride just fine on the PBL - keep your speed below 10 MPH or so, and be alert. It is not like riding on a crowded sidewalk. For comparison, try riding on the shared street on the water side of the development.
    At 10MPH it's not a bike lane, it's a sidewalk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordofthemark View Post
    That is not in fact the case. While there are pedestrians, anyone comfortable riding slowly on a crowded trail should be able to ride just fine on the PBL - keep your speed below 10 MPH or so, and be alert. It is not like riding on a crowded sidewalk. For comparison, try riding on the shared street on the water side of the development.
    I disagree. This is generally the case Mon-Thurs during the commuting hours (and I generally ride it on the AM commute), but Friday evenings and weekends it's a MESS. I got off it and got onto the street the one time I was on it during the weekend. WAY too many pedestrians who have no idea bikes are around and therefor are walking all over the bike lane without looking, and the street/parking garage crossings are crazy with cars flying across the sidewalk and bike lanes without looking. Almost every time I've biked it after happy hour I've nearly been taken out by a car flying through a crossing without looking. Sure, if you're meandering very slowly and are ok with constantly starting, stopping, and almost getting hit by cars you'll be fine. Otherwise, it's safer to be on the street during peak hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstone View Post
    At 10MPH it's not a bike lane, it's a sidewalk.
    Other than an empty suburban sidewalk, I ride more slowly than that on sidewalks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emm View Post
    I disagree. This is generally the case Mon-Thurs during the commuting hours (and I generally ride it on the AM commute), but Friday evenings and weekends it's a MESS. I got off it and got onto the street the one time I was on it during the weekend. WAY too many pedestrians who have no idea bikes are around and therefor are walking all over the bike lane without looking, and the street/parking garage crossings are crazy with cars flying across the sidewalk and bike lanes without looking. Almost every time I've biked it after happy hour I've nearly been taken out by a car flying through a crossing without looking. Sure, if you're meandering very slowly and are ok with constantly starting, stopping, and almost getting hit by cars you'll be fine. Otherwise, it's safer to be on the street during peak hours.
    Well, tbh, I almost never ride there on weekends. And it's true, the car turns are a problem apart from the pedestrians. I am not suggesting the PBL for everyone, but I don't think it is useless. I still prefer it to navigating the intersection of G and 9th to get to Banneker, though perhaps not by much.
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    Let me first say that I am happy that they considered cyclists and installed a PBL. They did a good job also of signing it to tell pedestrians where they should be and cyclists where they should be. It's too bad that pedestrians can't even understand pictures. OTOH, I twice have seen CABI users riding on the sidewalk as they window shopped. IMO there isn't much to window shop at least now.

    They also did many things wrong. I don't think that they put up any signs to tell motorists leaving the garages and the side streets/alleys that they should stop before the sidewalk and PBL while waiting for lights, and not on top of either or just going through without paying attention at all. Whatever material they used to make the PBL seems to cause my bike to sink in, acting as an unneeded brake. It also seems to have caused the paint used for separating the two directions of bike lanes to prematurely age. It's only six months is but is very visibly fading.

    Also there should be designated areas for people waiting for buses, shuttles, and whatever. It is a worse problem when buses stop to let people out but not as bad as has historically been the case northwest of the Fish Market. It might get worse in the summer.

    Some of that is easily fixable. I also agree with LotM that although there are problems it is rideable and it is not a long distance. I add that I have never been there when The Anthem is emptying.

    Minor thing, why didn't they use a two-sided bikeometer like at the IoD and placed perpendicular to its current orientation? One can't easily see how many cyclists have gone by without stopping. it isn't important, but I like to look at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ursus View Post
    Also there should be designated areas for people waiting for buses, shuttles, and whatever.
    There is an odd building on the north end, which has a large U driveway around it. I suspect that is exactly what that is. Remember, this project is far from done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emm View Post
    Friday evenings and weekends it's a MESS ... WAY too many pedestrians who have no idea bikes are around and therefor are walking all over the bike lane without looking, and the street/parking garage crossings are crazy with cars flying across the sidewalk and bike lanes without looking ... Sure, if you're meandering very slowly and are ok with constantly starting, stopping, and almost getting hit by cars you'll be fine. Otherwise, it's safer to be on the street during peak hours.
    It's worth noting that we face all of these same problems riding any other DC-area PBL. Pedestrians stepping off the adjacent sidewalk without looking and loitering in the lanes. Drivers darting out from parking garages looking only at the sidewalk. Heightened risks of right hooks and left cross collisions, especially when the PBL is hidden behind parked cars. Turning vehicles blocking the PBL while waiting for a gap in either sidewalk or street traffic. Idling or parked vehicles blocking the lanes.

    The only real difference on Maine Ave is that the sheer volume of pedestrians and tourist atmosphere magnify the above issues. (Also perhaps the fraction of drivers who are not regulars to the area may be higher, especially on weekends; that could be a factor too.)

    PBLs are useful for slow riding and for filtering through car jams, but how many are safe above 12MPH? Or for any non-hyper-vigilant rider, for that matter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by streetsmarts View Post
    Yikes that was a close call! Glad you are ok and had the presence to stay upright.

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    Glad you're ok. Hopefully you've sent this to the police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoot View Post
    It's worth noting that we face all of these same problems riding any other DC-area PBL. Pedestrians stepping off the adjacent sidewalk without looking and loitering in the lanes. Drivers darting out from parking garages looking only at the sidewalk. Heightened risks of right hooks and left cross collisions, especially when the PBL is hidden behind parked cars. Turning vehicles blocking the PBL while waiting for a gap in either sidewalk or street traffic. Idling or parked vehicles blocking the lanes.

    The only real difference on Maine Ave is that the sheer volume of pedestrians and tourist atmosphere magnify the above issues. (Also perhaps the fraction of drivers who are not regulars to the area may be higher, especially on weekends; that could be a factor too.)

    PBLs are useful for slow riding and for filtering through car jams, but how many are safe above 12MPH? Or for any non-hyper-vigilant rider, for that matter?
    I am always hypervigilant when I take the general travel lane on Maine. Also hammering as fast as I can. ☺

    Regarding parked cars and visibility. The 7th street intersection is pretty well daylighted by the CaBi station.

    Daylighting is a policy that benefits all intersections, irrespective of the presence of bikes and bike lanes. We should strive for daylighting PBL intersections.
    Last edited by lordofthemark; 04-24-2018 at 12:29 PM.

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