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Thread: Dockless Bikeshare - The Dockpocalypse Nears

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    As much as I love cycling and encourage others to ride, I have to say, the DBS bikes are becoming a new type of urban litter. I live in Silver Spring, and some days I count more than a dozen in the two blocks from house to the first main bus stop at Wayne and Sligo Creek. I rather doubt the users leave the bikes like this, but most are on their sides, heaped together, like large, metallic, Bud Lite cans.

    They seem to cluster near bus stops. Perhaps this is where they graze?

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    Default DC police to residents: Donít dial 911 when seeing bikeshare users

    Now let's see if the Georgetown NIMBY crowd complies.

    https://wtop.com/dc/2018/01/dc-polic...keshare-users/

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    CityLab article speculating on whether DoBi appeals more to African American young people.

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    Yesterday I was in and out of DC. On my ride out I traveled across M St downtown and then through Georgetown to the Key Bridge. I saw about 12-15 dockless bikes along the way. I am pleased to report that every single one was parked in what I would consider to be an appropriate and courteous spot.
    Perhaps the riders are learning and the novelty to the non-riders is wearing off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve O View Post
    I am pleased to report that every single one was parked in what I would consider to be an appropriate and courteous spot.
    Perhaps the riders are learning and the novelty to the non-riders is wearing off.
    As someone who hasn't installed any of the dockless bikeshare apps, I have a question about the bikes that are parked outside of the zoned area. Don't the companies know the identity of the user who last used a bike and parked it outside of the designated zone? And if so, can't they ding that person with a bike recovery fee? Or do folks who leave bikes like I see in Arlington just count on the bike being ridden back into DC before the company sends someone out to pick it up?

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    The companies are focused on capturing market share and do not want to alienate customers, so they are loathe to penalize them for bad behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VA2DC View Post
    As someone who hasn't installed any of the dockless bikeshare apps, I have a question about the bikes that are parked outside of the zoned area. Don't the companies know the identity of the user who last used a bike and parked it outside of the designated zone? And if so, can't they ding that person with a bike recovery fee? Or do folks who leave bikes like I see in Arlington just count on the bike being ridden back into DC before the company sends someone out to pick it up?
    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    The companies are focused on capturing market share and do not want to alienate customers, so they are loathe to penalize them for bad behavior.
    The basic business plan is this:
    1. Raise as much venture capital as possible
    2. Put as many bikes on the street as possible, like as ridiculous of an amount as possible
    3. Flout any of the rules that are part of any agreement to operate and hope that the inefficiency or ineffectiveness of the bureaucracy means that there's no financial consequence for it. (in D.C. pilot that means bikes are not supposed to be parked on Federal lands or outside of DC)
    4. Perform as little maintenance or rebalancing as possible as it's cheaper to throw these bikes away
    5. Hope all of the other dockless bicycle companies run out of venture capital before your dockless bicycle company runs out of money.
    6. Maybe one day turn a meager profit if you've captured the entire market share

    There's really not a lot of money in bikes. A company like Uber which every tech firm aspires to be hasn't turned a profit. I can't see one of the dockless companies turning a profit any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judd View Post
    There's really not a lot of money in bikes. A company like Uber which every tech firm aspires to be hasn't turned a profit. I can't see one of the dockless companies turning a profit any time soon.
    But if you make a personal penny on every dollar you lose, it's quite the money maker!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VA2DC View Post
    As someone who hasn't installed any of the dockless bikeshare apps, I have a question about the bikes that are parked outside of the zoned area. Don't the companies know the identity of the user who last used a bike and parked it outside of the designated zone? And if so, can't they ding that person with a bike recovery fee? Or do folks who leave bikes like I see in Arlington just count on the bike being ridden back into DC before the company sends someone out to pick it up?
    Jump Bikes has been quite proactive in keeping people within the designated zone, imposing a $50 penalty for bikes parked outside of the zone. Then again, they've got a financial incentive to do so, because they have to recharge the bikes every few days, and don't want to have to go way out into the suburbs to find them.

    I think the other companies are just figuring that they are off the hook if they tell riders not to leave the designated area, but never enforce the rule. After all, a bike parked in Bethesda, say, is as likely to be rented as one in DC. So if renters disobey the rules, the net result is that Bethesda residents get introduced to that company's bikes. The companies really don't have an incentive to keep that from happening.

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    I keep dropping back in to marvel at the NIMBYism and "All Bikes are great except the ones I don't like" attitudes in this thread. SMH.

    I think dockless bikeshare is great! I think it's an awesome idea. I think the bikes are attractive and, for the most part, well-designed. I think CaBi needs the competition. I haven't seen any mounds and mounds and mounds of abandoned bikes anywhere, and if the only other objection people can come up with is "ZOMG BIKES LEFT OUTSIDE THE LIMITS WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDRENZ," then I think not only are the pilots working but frankly, some people may just have a tad too much time on their hands.

    So there.

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