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    I know this isn't taking place in the Washington/NOVA area, but is anyone else riding this? I seem to recall a much larger field last year; now a little over a week out and only 14 entries. It's the same location as February's Monster Cross but a different course -- am I missing something?

    WHO: http://www.runriderace.com/

    WHAT:

    A, B and Womens Open RaceThe 50 mile event this will be run true CX style. For the 50 mile race, the race is over once the race winner is finished (all racers will complete their current lap). Therefore, if you stay on the lead lap you will ride 50. If you are lapped twice, you will be finished at about 38 miles. A countdown lap counter, that will be adjusted with the race leader, will be at the start/finish to help you know where you stand. All racer will be credited with finishing the race even if they finish one lap or all 8. We will post number of laps (miles) and finishing time. The short race will be 3 laps for all entered.
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    This division will be a 3 lap race (approx 19 miles).


    WHEN: Sunday, 6 August @ 1000 AM

    WHERE: 10301 State Park Road, Chesterfield, VA

    https://www.bikereg.com/guts-gravel-and-glory

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    I did it last year. It was pretty meh... It is a short-ish loop (6ish miles, if I recall correctly), and is run kind of like a cyclocross race where the race is done when the leader crosses the finish line. I only got in about 38 miles last year after having a major mechanical in the first lap (I got lapped twice, I think).

    I am doing an adventure race on the 6th, so not doing GGG this year. But honestly, after this year's Monster Cross debacle, I am not sure I am ever going to do another one of Junkerman's races.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunyata View Post
    I did it last year. It was pretty meh... It is a short-ish loop (6ish miles, if I recall correctly), and is run kind of like a cyclocross race where the race is done when the leader crosses the finish line. I only got in about 38 miles last year after having a major mechanical in the first lap (I got lapped twice, I think).

    I am doing an adventure race on the 6th, so not doing GGG this year. But honestly, after this year's Monster Cross debacle, I am not sure I am ever going to do another one of Junkerman's races.
    I did the beginner race last year and had a pretty decent time; it was my third bike race and at that point they all seemed exciting. Monster Cross was nuts and though I wound up enjoying it overall, I wonder if the debacle you're referring to was the clamorous mass start which (in my opinion) set conditions for the horrible pile-up ~3 miles into the race or the way the air medvac was handled? At any rate, my hope is that there were some applied lessons learned from it. I'll give it another chance and let you know how it goes if you like.

    Cheers, CT

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChampionTier View Post
    Monster Cross was nuts and though I wound up enjoying it overall, I wonder if the debacle you're referring to was the clamorous mass start which (in my opinion) set conditions for the horrible pile-up ~3 miles into the race or the way the air medvac was handled?
    The start of Monster Cross (and really, any other mass start race) is generally a cluster. The air medevac was fine, it was the way Junkerman handled the aftermath of that that really left a bad taste in my mouth, especially with respect to the results. Bike racing is inherently dangerous. We all know the risks. Unfortunately, bad crashes happen. As a race director, you never want it to happen at your event. But, you must be prepared (which he NEVER is - I have stopped to render aid at multiple of his events because there was no onsite EMS) for a medical emergency and be prepared to handle stopping and restarting a race if necessary. You should also continue to be able to function as a race director, even if there is a tragic event on the course. Be courteous to those still racing, acknowledge that there was a tragic event that took place (information is important), offer support to those that may need it, and communicate what you need to in order to keep those that paid for your event in the loop about the race, their standings, and take feedback seriously.

    Sorry about the rant.

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    Ahh yes, understand all... rant away. I had read on one message board that the LZ was fouled due to riders getting in the way, but I was light years away from where it took place so I didn't see for myself. Then again the place is loaded with trees so I wonder if that was really the issue. Apparently when they did stop traffic one racer blew right by the evac.

    I was frustrated by the lack of results, too. Though I finished in my mid-pack standard, the nerd in me really wanted to stare at the data. I feel horrible for the lady who crashed; her life is forever changed, but I couldn't wrap my head around why that was the reason for delayed results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChampionTier View Post
    but I couldn't wrap my head around why that was the reason for delayed results.
    It's impossible to get enough volunteers for events and he scores riders BY HAND. I helped out at last year's GGG and someone calls out the number, and another person inputs it into what looks like a big adding machine (with tape and all). I imagine that people got pulled from scoring to help with the emergency since that takes precedence over results. Plus he needed to figure out who got held up, who didn't and factor that into the times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tania View Post
    I imagine that people got pulled from scoring to help with the emergency since that takes precedence over results. Plus he needed to figure out who got held up, who didn't and factor that into the times.
    Makes sense. Maybe I overestimate the automated ease and fullness of scoring and accountability when using chips.

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    He didn't adjust times based on who got held up (nor do I think there would have been a way to do that fairly--I'm not criticizing that but it wasn't something that was done that made things take longer), and no one was finishing during the evacuation because it was about 1 minute in front of the finish line, so it shouldn't have mattered if the scoring volunteers had to help with the crash. And wasn't Monster Cross chip timed? I could be remembering wrong... (i know there is still some human involvement but aren't you then paying the scoring company to do that as a separate thing from race volunteers?). I personally don't care too much that the results were slow but the email sent out chastising everyone for caring about them was pretty obnoxious.

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    Correct, MC was chip-timed (I only remember this because I almost forgot to toss my lo-jack into the bucket and in my post-race-dehydration/exhiliration/disorientation/find-the-beer-station I couldn't figure out why the two youngsters were talking about my ankles). And if the rumor that someone was darting around the evac to finish is untrue then that's a plus. It's good to read these responses and get some clarity on what went down.

    I just re-read the e-mail that he sent out about the results; very pithy and clipped. I'm sure in the chaos of all that happened in the days that followed he was getting bombarded by requests for info and maybe felt overwhelmed. I briefly wondered if he went dark for a few days to assess any potential legal woes that might've ensued before making any public statements. But to Sunyata's point, anytime I've been in charge of delivering bad news or managing a bad situation, I never thought that I'd have to apologize for transparency (minus next of kin or other sensitive stuff).

    GGG '17 only has 14ish riders signed up which makes it a bite-sized gaggle compared to MC. Good or bad, I hope it's more manageable for the RRR team.

    [I see your rant and raise you a stream of consciousness]
    Last edited by ChampionTier; 07-31-2017 at 01:39 PM. Reason: punctuation

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    Maybe MC was chip timed, I remember having to turn something in after the race. Give the guy a break - he had a MAJOR accident to deal with (plus several other smaller ones). Perhaps everyone who is complaining about it or pestered him for results can take charge of it next year.

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