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    Can we move the "Obey all laws" sign to the front of the White House when you know who moves in?

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    I rode Union St in Old Town this morning. A Mercedes pulled out of a garage in front of me without looking (or yielding). A sports car driver accelerated aggressively while rolling every stop sign. A beer truck blocked the entire road for a couple of minutes. No police present.

    This evening. A car was parked perpendicular to the curb on N. Union blocking part of the bike lane and the side walk. Cars rolled through stop signs at both Queen and Cameron. At King I finally spotted the police officer. He was standing with his back to the intersection chatting with a Starbucks customer.

    Such enforcement excitement!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordofthemark View Post
    When we have more butts on bikes, we won't have to constantly emphasize the multimodal benefits of everything we ask for - we will actually be able to ask for things as cyclists.
    So what I think you're saying here is that Cynthia isn't doing her part to help the cycling community...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyKane50 View Post
    The Alexandria Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Committee (BPAC) has been an advocate for increased enforcement of traffic laws city-wide, and for education/announcements of enforcement efforts as part of the five Es that are important to traffic safety. (The others are Engineering, Encouragement and Evaluation).

    We are pleased to inform you that that both City staff and the Alexandria Police Department are increasing efforts in the areas of Education and Enforcement. We are also pleased that no single travel mode is being targeted for enforcement; recent discussions and enforcement results indicate that Alexandria Police Department enforcement is aimed at ALL roadway users. Please share our request for all Alexandria residents and visitors to respect each other, and promote safer traffic behavior throughout the City of Alexandria.

    Here is an announcement received today of a Union Street enforcement effort starting this week.
    I'm sure I'm the minority voice here, but I'm mostly okay with the yearly placing of a cop at the corner of Union and King for a week. Is it the best use of police resources? Probably not. But I also see plenty of people on bikes being total assholes at this intersection and cruising through at full speed or making little to no attempt to yield to pedestrians. If I lived in Old Town and regularly got buzzed while crossing the street, I'd probably bitch about it just as much as the Old Town folks do.

    I've been pulled over once at Hains Point for running a stop sign. I didn't get a ticket, but if I had, that would be okay. I deliberately ran the stop sign. I knew I was breaking the law when I chose to do it. I can complain all day about how other people break the law all day and that it's actually more dangerous when they break the law than when I break the law, but at the end of the day I chose to break a law which means I chose to accept the consequences of being caught doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judd View Post
    I'm sure I'm the minority voice here, but I'm mostly okay with the yearly placing of a cop at the corner of Union and King for a week. Is it the best use of police resources? Probably not. But I also see plenty of people on bikes being total assholes at this intersection and cruising through at full speed or making little to no attempt to yield to pedestrians. If I lived in Old Town and regularly got buzzed while crossing the street, I'd probably bitch about it just as much as the Old Town folks do.

    I've been pulled over once at Hains Point for running a stop sign. I didn't get a ticket, but if I had, that would be okay. I deliberately ran the stop sign. I knew I was breaking the law when I chose to do it. I can complain all day about how other people break the law all day and that it's actually more dangerous when they break the law than when I break the law, but at the end of the day I chose to break a law which means I chose to accept the consequences of being caught doing so.
    1. Its not just once a year, IIRC.

    2. They do not just ticket folks who are being total assholes, but (based on reports I have heard, and the police do not deny it) people making proper Idaho stops, at anything above walking speed.

    3. The folks who push for this also push against the alternate infra that would take bikes off of Union. The City is going to designate Royal a bike Blvd, over opposition from many old town residents (I cannot say which community association - in the past I have assumed it was all simply the Old Town Civic Association, but I have since learned there are multiple smaller CAs there, plus informal local groups) - and that Bike Blvd will be an inferior one, with no stop signs removed or roundabouts put in place because "we wouldn't want to reward scofflaw cyclists" These folks, AFAICT, are also the reason we will be getting door zone bike lanes on Prince and Cameron instead of PBL's.

    4. They drain the citywide conversation on ped and biking matters. At the public meetings on the Bike Ped master plan, to discuss improvements of all kinds, all across the City, a contingent of them were there to call for - you guessed it - more enforcement in Old Town.

    5. Its not like Alexandria police have been superb on all bike ped matters outside Old Town. See the response to the Duke and Taylor crash.

    I spent a couple of hours of my time at a BPAC organized event where cyclists stood at the corner of Union and King, with WABA PAL signs and stuff, asking people to stop at the intersection. After seeing how little recognition that got from the antis (maybe Council at least recognizes it) I have decided I cannot motivate myself to do it again. I mean I wish well to the folks who do stand there and do it again, but I will put my own efforts elsewhere - supporting other BPAC activities, and just getting out there and riding on the new infra we do have.

    I would ask all to try to and ride the new infra in the City of Alexandria, as much as possible. Especially the new buffered lanes on King from the high school to Janneys, and the more controversial conventional lanes from Janneys to King Street Station.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judd View Post
    I can complain all day about how other people break the law all day and that it's actually more dangerous when they break the law than when I break the law, but at the end of the day I chose to break a law which means I chose to accept the consequences of being caught doing so.
    In DC and Md there is a loud active opposition to speed cameras, which makes all kinds of claims, but appears to consist mostly of people who resent that the law is enforced. (and the cameras still give you a "buffer", IIUC) In Va speed cameras are not allowed. Even red light cameras are limited in number by state law.

    Imagine if police regularly gave tickets to people driving one mile per hour over the limit. Or failing to signal. Imagine if they had an enforcement campaign to do so.

    It would provoke outrage. People would be incensed at the level of resources used for a tiny infraction, would point out the lack of real safety benefit, and would call it either a revenue play or part of the war on cars, or both.

    But when its done for cyclists, its okay. BECAUSE BIKING IS NOT NORMATIVE. This isn't about whether its cool to cruise through the King and Union intersection instead of stopping for the pedestrians in the crosswalks. Of course its not. This is about biking being not normative, and that's what is provoking about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judd View Post
    If I lived in Old Town and regularly got buzzed while crossing the street, I'd probably bitch about it just as much as the Old Town folks do.
    I don't know how I would feel. When my wife and I moved back to Alexandria, we couldn't make Old Town fit our budget. In part because of the opposition to development that has crimped the supply of new housing there. The defense of Old Town privilege goes beyond biking matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeprosyStudyGroup View Post
    yeah really. love the bureaucratic habit of never using signs to communicate something useful.


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    this is more fun than I expected when I started
    I am of course not advocating this, but there is some interesting info here on how to make that happen: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...sign%20hacking

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    Good lord I expected 'hacking' to involve more than: 1. Open Box 2.Type new message

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeprosyStudyGroup View Post
    Good lord I expected 'hacking' to involve more than: 1. Open Box 2.Type new message
    3. Unauthorized Access to a Government IT System

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