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    Hmm.

    Hmm.
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    I'd vote for you. I love bacon.

    I'd vote for you. I love bacon.
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    Yes, thanks to ArlingtonRider for organizing....

    Yes, thanks to ArlingtonRider for organizing. Also thanks to Dickie for, on his way to the happy hour, seeing my daughter almost get hit by a speeding douche on the trail and trying to catch him. And...
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    Saw a guy riding with a kid's bike strapped to...

    Saw a guy riding with a kid's bike strapped to his back. Apparently he had dropped a cycling kid off at school. He rocked, and I told him so.
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    Looks like I might make it after all.

    Looks like I might make it after all.
  6. I saw one police officer helping. Couldn't tell...

    I saw one police officer helping. Couldn't tell if he had been there before for the safety campaign though.

    I was glad to see the victim wasn't a bicyclist, and was uninjured.
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    Alas, I must attend one of the three other...

    Alas, I must attend one of the three other possible engagements I have that night - back to school night.
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    I think the consensus is to stop finding bikes...

    I think the consensus is to stop finding bikes and start spotting cycles.
  9. Reminds me of the argument for making radar...

    Reminds me of the argument for making radar detectors legal: they make it easier for people to follow the speed limit.
  10. Don't speed or run red lights - there are cameras...

    Don't speed or run red lights - there are cameras out there.
  11. Sure, but that's not about revenue. The...

    Sure, but that's not about revenue.

    The solution in that case seems to be mobile cameras.
  12. Depends on the situation - on some roads, there...

    Depends on the situation - on some roads, there are certain spots where speeding - or running reds - is an acute issue. But I like the idea of mobile cameras.

    My point is that if it enhances...
  13. Yeah, that's another good way to do it.

    Yeah, that's another good way to do it.
  14. We don't disagree at all. I'm not saying cameras...

    We don't disagree at all. I'm not saying cameras are never designed to produce revenue in a way that can hurt safety, just that we can't declare that they always are.

    When I say it's "not...
  15. If there were objective and specific laws (not...

    If there were objective and specific laws (not like the highly subjective "pass dangerously") that could be enforced that way, I wouldn't complain. Last time I checked, only speed limits and red...
  16. Okay. Well, the reason for that that...

    Okay.



    Well, the reason for that that isn't entirely hard to fathom, since speeders can otherwise simply slow down before a camera and then speed back up.



    What's the difference!!!!?????
  17. And that is an enormous reason. You're an...

    And that is an enormous reason. You're an American - you know that people would riot in the streets if the government tried to do that. They freak out over much less. And pointing to the many other...
  18. I didn't say that. As with backup cameras,...

    I didn't say that.



    As with backup cameras, I think your speed limit control idea is worth the cost, but not everyone does.

    But you didn't address the other problem - the fact that people...
  19. You can't conclude that we don't have those rules...

    You can't conclude that we don't have those rules just so that government can collect revenue from people who break rules. That's a stretch.

    We don't have those rules because this technology...
  20. ...which is exactly what I imagined doing! Then I...

    ...which is exactly what I imagined doing! Then I remembered that I can't trackstand.
  21. I wasn't saying they shouldn't, just that I'm...

    I wasn't saying they shouldn't, just that I'm willing to be held to whatever standard is necessary, including whatever would happen if cameras were involved.



    I agree - it was a hypothetical...
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    Okay. The bottom line is that there is plenty of...

    Okay. The bottom line is that there is plenty of wiggle room depending on the circumstances. On a low traffic street I would have probably just ridden past your wife and not cared that she was there....
  23. Yes, that would be a pretty obvious speed trap...

    Yes, that would be a pretty obvious speed trap designed for revenue.
  24. I don't think it matters. Unless the critics...

    I don't think it matters.

    Unless the critics are saying that the cameras are placed or timed in a way that catches lots of people who would never get ticketed by a human cop (like a speed trap in...
  25. That brings up a new idea - perhaps cameras are...

    That brings up a new idea - perhaps cameras are more fair because they are objective.
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