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Jason Hardin
12-09-2015, 02:00 PM
Hello, everyone. Iíd like to share two new sites in/near Rosslyn where Arlington is proposing new CaBi stations.

One is at the intersection of Wilson Boulevard and N. Oak Street. It would go on the sidewalk on the north side of Wilson (just across the street from the new Target). In order to fit it into the available space, the station would look a little different from most stations. To preserve sidewalk clearance, the docked bicycles would be at a 45-degree angle from the curb, rather than perpendicular. That will make the station footprint, including docked bikes, about 4.5 feet wide, rather than 6 feet wide.

The angle would allow 10í of sidewalk clearance to remain, which is the same as at other locations on the block where there are planters. Weíre also looking at using rails that would connect separate station plates and allow the station to ďskipĒ a streetlight. Here's an image of the proposed site:

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In case anyone's interested, hereís an example of the angled docks at a Citi Bike station in NYC (photo from Streetsblog):

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Here's a link (http://bit.ly/1jxduRk) to a document with more information, including photographs of the location.

The second station is at the intersection of Arlington Boulevard (not the multilane highway portion, the two-lane street/service road/exit that runs parallel to the main part of the boulevard) and Fort Myer Drive. Here's a link (http://www.bit.ly/1lPDx7C) to a document with more information, including photographs of the location. We would also look to retrofit the pedestrian bridge over Arlington Boulevard with a bike ramp or runnel to make it easier to get to/from the other side with a bicycle (Iíve done it as it is, which is doable but could be improved upon).

Here's an image showing the proposed site:

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We also seek to get neighborhood-specific input on each site. I've created brief online surveys that shows the location and asks a few questions about your thoughts on the location. If you happen to live in either North Rosslyn (for Wilson & Oak) or Radnor-Fort Myer Heights (for Fort Myer & Arlington) and havenít already received anything from the civic association, please feel free to fill it out.

Here are the links: Wilson & Oak: http://bit.ly/1Q9kLDM
Fort Myer & Arlington: http://bit.ly/1O6Dyzr

Finally, in case it's helpful to look at, here's a link (https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z3Fgt6AsRKb0.kEOw7JyE_gug&msa=0&ll=38.88796%2C-77.096987&spn=0.028293%2C0.066047) to Arlington's overall expansion map.

Thanks!
Jason

Jason Hardin
Capital Bikeshare Planner
Consultant to Arlington County Commuter Services
jason@metrobike.net

Steve O
12-09-2015, 05:08 PM
We would also look to retrofit the pedestrian bridge over Arlington Boulevard with a bike ramp or runnel to make it easier to get to/from the other side with a bicycle (Iíve done it as it is, which is doable but could be improved upon).


Presumably, when you say you've "done it," you mean you have carried your bike up and down the stairs. From personal experience, I have found that carrying a CaBi bike up stairs is really, really hard.

That would be awesome to make that crossing of 50 bikable. It would give people on bikes who currently tangle with cars at the Ft. Myer/Lynn & 50 intersection (+ ramp onto WB 50) a much nicer option for getting over to the south-side frontage road (and ultimately to the new-ish Rte. 50 south-side trail). Personally I would probably continue to tangle than to use a runnel on that bridge, but if I could stay on my bike, I would use it.
Also, having used the runnel from 4MR to Arlington Mill with a CaBi, I can assure you that is not a piece of cake, either.

Jason, if the county begins to think about this, could you (and other involved parties) please come to the BAC meeting early in the process, so that the design can be vetted with the community of citizen volunteers who are very familiar with biking in the County. Thanks.

Jason Hardin
12-10-2015, 01:01 PM
Presumably, when you say you've "done it," you mean you have carried your bike up and down the stairs. From personal experience, I have found that carrying a CaBi bike up stairs is really, really hard.

That would be awesome to make that crossing of 50 bikable. It would give people on bikes who currently tangle with cars at the Ft. Myer/Lynn & 50 intersection (+ ramp onto WB 50) a much nicer option for getting over to the south-side frontage road (and ultimately to the new-ish Rte. 50 south-side trail). Personally I would probably continue to tangle than to use a runnel on that bridge, but if I could stay on my bike, I would use it.
Also, having used the runnel from 4MR to Arlington Mill with a CaBi, I can assure you that is not a piece of cake, either.

Jason, if the county begins to think about this, could you (and other involved parties) please come to the BAC meeting early in the process, so that the design can be vetted with the community of citizen volunteers who are very familiar with biking in the County. Thanks.

Yes - CaBis are many things, but easily portable up/down stairs they are not. That said, I have in fact carried/rolled a CaBi across that overpass, as I wanted to get a sense of whether it would be too steep to make sense as a bike crossing even with a runnel. Getting it up and then down the stairs wasn't the easiest thing to do, but it was doable, and I think with a runnel it's not too steep to be a reasonable crossing option.

I think bringing it to the BAC is certainly a good idea, and I'll see about making that happen.

Steve O
12-10-2015, 01:31 PM
Getting it up and then down the stairs wasn't the easiest thing to do, but it was doable, and I think with a runnel it's not too steep to be a reasonable crossing option.


Just checking: are you young (ish), fit and male? "Doable" and "reasonable crossing option" may not apply for people 15 years older, 40 pounds lighter or heavier and 6 inches shorter.

S. Arlington Observer
12-10-2015, 02:14 PM
The Oak Street location would be very helpful. A nice fill in between Pierce and Ft. Meyer.

Jason Hardin
12-10-2015, 03:27 PM
Just checking: are you young (ish), fit and male? "Doable" and "reasonable crossing option" may not apply for people 15 years older, 40 pounds lighter or heavier and 6 inches shorter.

I guess that's a ballpark description, as long as young (ish) is defined pretty broadly (I'm 40+). To be clear, though, no, I don't think hauling a bike across is a reasonable option for most people as is. I think with a runnel it becomes a reasonable option. It still might not work for everyone, but it's definitely an improvement over the status quo and would at least provide an alternative that doesn't really exist now to the Fort Myer/Lynn intersection.

If you're suggesting that the overpass be reworked entirely to reduce the grade, I think that would be terrific to have, but that's a much different project in terms of scale than just adding a ramp to the side of the current facility. It also brings some different cost/benefit questions to the table. No reason both couldn't be pursued, though, even if one is a longer-term project. These are great conversations for the BAC.

I do want to note that I think the value of a bikeshare station there is independent of any improvements to the overpass. We looked at that site before thinking about overpass as a potentially viable crossing, as the site seems to make sense purely in terms of residential density and proximity to potential destinations.