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ewilliams0305
02-09-2015, 11:13 AM
First (5) people to 100,000' elevation get a beer on me at happy hour! If those (5) people get 200,000' by the end, i'll make it 2 beers each. That will be the most work anyone has ever done for two free beers, making them taste that "MORE BETTER"!

BTW, when is the final happy hour?

Steve O
02-09-2015, 11:30 AM
First (5) people to 100,000' elevation get a beer on me at happy hour! If those (5) people get 200,000' by the end, i'll make it 2 beers each. That will be the most work anyone has ever done for two free beers, making them taste that "MORE BETTER"!

BTW, when is the final happy hour?

Thanks. I have added this to the list of Pointless Prizes. Feel free to come up with a clever title for your prize.

AFAIK a date has not yet been finalized for the final HH. Keep the entirety of the three weeks after March 19 completely and utterly clear on your calendar. Just in case.

Harry Meatmotor
02-09-2015, 12:12 PM
Thanks. I have added this to the list of Pointless Prizes. Feel free to come up with a clever title for your prize.

AFAIK a date has not yet been finalized for the final HH. Keep the entirety of the three weeks after March 19 completely and utterly clear on your calendar. Just in case.

i dunno if i can handle a 3 week long happy hour...

vern
02-09-2015, 12:16 PM
Cool beans...just another 85,110 feet and I'm there!

Steve O
02-09-2015, 12:27 PM
i dunno if i can handle a 3 week long happy hour...

Rule 5

Vicegrip
02-09-2015, 04:18 PM
Rule 5

Too much happy hour and I violate Rule 43.

glennpstevens
02-09-2015, 07:00 PM
First (5) people to 100,000' elevation get a beer on me at happy hour! If those (5) people get 200,000' by the end, i'll make it 2 beers each. That will be the most work anyone has ever done for two free beers, making them taste that "MORE BETTER"!

BTW, when is the final happy hour?

Time to hit Coxey Brown Road once or twice or 49.45 times.

Rod Smith
02-09-2015, 07:45 PM
Just for the record, Strava severely understates my climbing when I upload from my Garmin Edge 200 (compared to others on the same ride and compared to the elevation displayed on the Garmin). I bought a Edge 500 that seems to yield more accurate data. I still use the 200 on weekdays though because I think it looks less interesting to thieves.

Pro tip, never click on "correct elevation". The number will drop, a lot. For the record, ewilliams never uses the "correct elevation". :p End of rant.

dkel
02-09-2015, 08:12 PM
Just for the record, Strava severely understates my climbing when I upload from my Garmin Edge 200 (compared to others on the same ride and compared to the elevation displayed on the Garmin). I bought a Edge 500 that seems to yield more accurate data. I still use the 200 on weekdays though because I think it looks less interesting to thieves.

Pro tip, never click on "correct elevation". The number will drop, a lot. For the record, ewilliams never uses the "correct elevation". :p End of rant.

When I ride with Rockford, I always end up with more elevation, and she ends up with more miles. Same Strava app, same version of iPhone. Whatever. It all comes out in the wash.

ewilliams0305
02-10-2015, 05:25 PM
Just for the record, Strava severely understates my climbing when I upload from my Garmin Edge 200 (compared to others on the same ride and compared to the elevation displayed on the Garmin). I bought a Edge 500 that seems to yield more accurate data. I still use the 200 on weekdays though because I think it looks less interesting to thieves.

Pro tip, never click on "correct elevation". The number will drop, a lot. For the record, ewilliams never uses the "correct elevation". :p End of rant.

But Rod, it's only fair that you have to work harder, after all you ride a bike for a living! besides, my set bet, thus I'm excluded from buying myself a free beer, but somehow I'm sure I'll manage.

Rod Smith
02-10-2015, 06:53 PM
Yeah because it's so easy to rack up the vert riding in a city built on reclaimed swampland towing a seven foot long trailer. :rolleyes:

ewilliams0305
02-10-2015, 08:08 PM
Yeah because it's so easy to rack up the vert riding in a city built on reclaimed swampland towing a seven foot long trailer. :rolleyes:

Yeah nothing is easy about that! You da man!!!

I will say, elevation is a tricky one, and the one statistic with the most discrepancies. My 510 always reports almost spot on with RWGPS data. Over a 100 mile ride its usually within +- 100'. I'd say that's relatively accurate. There was that one day in September when Jeff and I both gained over 1000' in a short 5 mile ride just before a storm. Barometers????

All that said, regardless of the instrument used to calculate, 100000' over a few months is a huge deal and one that deserves a free beer. If I could afford one for everyone who breaks 100k I would gladly provide. So Rod, you make it 150k and ill make it two! We have shared many rides where you yielded about 75% of my elevation.

PS, buy a 510, I love mine and it will last 20hours as advertised.

Vicegrip
02-10-2015, 08:31 PM
But Rod, it's only fair that you have to work harder, after all you ride a bike for a living! besides, my set bet, thus I'm excluded from buying myself a free beer, but somehow I'm sure I'll manage.If I am at the 5 climbers happy hour I will be happy to cover your beer. In fact I will be happy to buy you some cases of beer before the end of FS if you will drink them rather than ride.

I was doing a climbing ride one summer day as a thunder storm rolled in, over and out. I expected to see 6 large hill cycles and 4 small ones but I got one parabolic curve of an elevation track. I was a bit ticked as it gave me a small fraction of the climb i did. Once I figured out it was the low pressure from the storm I hit correct elevation and the expected profile snapped into place.

vvill
02-11-2015, 07:39 AM
I love climbing! And climbing challenges - I've done the Rapha one on Strava twice now.

Riding in a heavy downpour/storm always [adversely] affects elevation readings from my Garmin. I think it's actually just the barometric sensor port getting waterlogged, in which case yeah "Correct Elevation" will give you something closer for your ride. But generally the altitude derived from barometric pressure is more accurate, even though it drifts easily over time (especially with temperature). The only other thing you can do I guess is make sure you're on 1 second, not "Smart" recording on your Garmin since that may end up reducing your climbing/descending numbers. I have one of the display pages on my Garmin set up to show total climbing and descending so if I'm targeting say 2000ft on a ride I can check there (roughly - Strava will change it slightly).

The only "constructive criticism" I have of this side bet (not that I'm competing) is that it's skewed to those who already have a lot of climbing so it effectively excludes a lot of participants already. If it was say, 50000' from a set future date, or say, 25000' from March 1, etc. it would be more of a level playing field (and people could prepare, etc.).

ewilliams0305
02-11-2015, 11:13 AM
I love climbing! And climbing challenges - I've done the Rapha one on Strava twice now.

The only "constructive criticism" I have of this side bet (not that I'm competing) is that it's skewed to those who already have a lot of climbing so it effectively excludes a lot of participants already. If it was say, 50000' from a set future date, or say, 25000' from March 1, etc. it would be more of a level playing field (and people could prepare, etc.).

I'm good with that, I actually like that better,

I'll create a spread sheet and document everyone's elevation as of February 28th at some obscure time when I'm home.

The first 5 people to get an additional 20,000 feet will get One Free Beer, That's an average of 1000' per day
The first 5 people to get an additional 40,000 feet will get TWO Free Beers, That's well MATH, you get it

I like the ZERO sum starting point. I Think this is as fair as it's going to get. Twice the work twice the fun, and I would like to make it into a race with lots of people trying. Set the suffer score high

Any suggestions beyond that?

ShawnoftheDread
02-11-2015, 12:05 PM
But with the original method I had a ready-made excuse not to try.

vvill
02-11-2015, 12:57 PM
I'm good with that, I actually like that better,

I'll create a spread sheet and document everyone's elevation as of February 28th at some obscure time when I'm home.

The first 5 people to get an additional 20,000 feet will get One Free Beer, That's an average of 1000' per day
The first 5 people to get an additional 40,000 feet will get TWO Free Beers, That's well MATH, you get it

I like the ZERO sum starting point. I Think this is as fair as it's going to get. Twice the work twice the fun, and I would like to make it into a race with lots of people trying. Set the suffer score high

Any suggestions beyond that?

You miiiight be able to get hozn/jrenaut to do it automagically. Also, that might end up being a lot of beers, just based on things that have happened in FS before (I guess it's a max of 10, so at happy hour $2 price it's no big deal).

hozn
02-11-2015, 01:07 PM
Yeah, I might raise the minimum to 40k for March 1 through end of competition. I mean 1k/day is a lot, but I am doing that for Feb climbing challenge and don't feel like I have yo go much out of my way to get there.

ewilliams0305
02-11-2015, 01:23 PM
Yeah, I might raise the minimum to 40k for March 1 through end of competition. I mean 1k/day is a lot, but I am doing that for Feb climbing challenge and don't feel like I have yo go much out of my way to get there.

Very true. Aw but, I said first 5 to get there, That could be one day if your crazy enough....
I suppose that would take the fun out it if people do 3 rides and get there. maybe 40k and 60k would yield a little more fun???


Hopefully Strava will have March climbing challenge. Then everyone who wants in can just join the challenge. Would be real easy to track that way. And yes, need to feed the child, so 10 beer maximum!

hozn
02-11-2015, 01:26 PM
Ha, sorry, I got distracted and forgot your original qualification. Yes, first 5 works either way IMO. And we can make some sort of chart or simply a backend query to get you this data when you need it.

I love climbing, but holy crap vicegrip is going crazy with the elevation this winter!

creadinger
02-11-2015, 01:27 PM
And yes, need to feed the child, so 10 beer maximum!

If you get them drunk enough you could just mug them on the way home and they'd be none the wiser. You would probably come out ahead in that case.

Vicegrip
02-11-2015, 04:44 PM
I'm good with that, I actually like that better,

I'll create a spread sheet and document everyone's elevation as of February 28th at some obscure time when I'm home.

The first 5 people to get an additional 20,000 feet will get One Free Beer, That's an average of 1000' per day
The first 5 people to get an additional 40,000 feet will get TWO Free Beers, That's well MATH, you get it

I like the ZERO sum starting point. I Think this is as fair as it's going to get. Twice the work twice the fun, and I would like to make it into a race with lots of people trying. Set the suffer score high

Any suggestions beyond that?Yes I have a suggestion. For Dogs sake take some days off. You are very hard to catch up / keep up to. ;)

How about First 5 to 100,000, top 5 and Top 5 in March. I will cover the March Mountain Madness hard finishers beers. MMM gives a clean 0.0 reset for all and defined start stop.

ewilliams0305
02-11-2015, 07:34 PM
How about First 5 to 100,000, top 5 and Top 5 in March. I will cover the March Mountain Madness hard finishers beers. MMM gives a clean 0.0 reset for all and defined start stop.

That could work, if you got March starting at 0, ill get the first 5 100k and top 5 overall. Maybe we'll get to swap a few beers!

OK Making the criteria official....

First 5 riders to 100,000 Thousand Feet - Get one free beer
Top 5 Riders overall for the entire duration of freezing saddles - Get two free beers

Good luck