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Raymo853
01-27-2015, 09:17 AM
I am a bit too much into BAFS 2015. I am often virtually stalking other team's riders on Strava and looking at the group discussion section on Strava. Do people consider that cool?

DismalScientist
01-27-2015, 09:27 AM
If they wanted them private, they would put things in the announcement section.

Also, be sure to add commentary if you deem it appropriate.:rolleyes:

dkel
01-27-2015, 09:27 AM
We've all put our info out there, so what's to stop you? Besides, keeping up online is the only way to monitor the competition. That said, I'll be looking over my shoulder for you from now on...:p

Raymo853
01-27-2015, 09:54 AM
Cool. I almost wish it was not possible to look at the other riders and such. I spend way too much time looking at Strava and http://freezingsaddles.com/ Which is why the day the contest ends on Friday March 20th will be my last Strava ride.

dcv
01-27-2015, 09:58 AM
OK w/ me - I think Rule 9 Velo made a double-secret FB club for members only

Raymo853
01-27-2015, 10:01 AM
OK w/ me - I think Rule 9 Velo made a double-secret FB club for members only

Yes I saw that discussion. Thought for a moment about how to see that. That was the insanity that triggered my question.

vvill
01-27-2015, 11:15 AM
Cool. I almost wish it was not possible to look at the other riders and such. I spend way too much time looking at Strava and http://freezingsaddles.com/ Which is why the day the contest ends on Friday March 20th will be my last Strava ride.

...until BAFS2016?

jopamora
01-27-2015, 11:19 AM
hmmm, maybe we should mark all our rides private until the March 20th

Raymo853
01-27-2015, 11:41 AM
hmmm, maybe we should mark all our rides private until the March 20th

I think that also makes them private form the BAFS system. Might be cool as all your points would show up at once and you could jump to the top with no warning.

Raymo853
01-27-2015, 11:42 AM
...until BAFS2016?


I will not be taking part. Made a promise last night to my fiancee who had to wait in the car while I sleazed last night.

cvcalhoun
01-27-2015, 11:42 AM
hmmm, maybe we should mark all our rides private until the March 20th

I believe this would violate the rule against sandbagging. Discussions can be kept private, but rides cannot.

Steve O
01-27-2015, 11:43 AM
I am a bit too much into BAFS 2015. I am often virtually stalking other team's riders on Strava and looking at the group discussion section on Strava. Do people consider that cool?

The real point of FS is not to win the pointless prizes but to build up our community of friends and cyclists. I think a lot of the fun is consorting with or trash-talking "the enemy," joining together on rides & get togethers and just enjoying the whole game. What's so secret?

rcannon100
01-27-2015, 11:45 AM
I am a bit too much into BAFS 2015. I am often virtually stalking other team's riders on Strava and looking at the group discussion section on Strava. Do people consider that cool?

Some teams have difficulty with decision making and actually need the assistance of other BAFS2015 participants in order to come to consensus, you know, on things like team names.

DismalScientist
01-27-2015, 11:49 AM
hmmm, maybe we should mark all our rides private until the March 20th

No, No, No... You are doing this all wrong. Private rides count in the scoring. What you do is mark all your rides as training (and private if you really want to disguise things) and then unmark them all on March 20.:rolleyes:

Or, just upload everything on March 20.

rcannon100
01-27-2015, 11:52 AM
pointless prizes

Where the rules are made up and the points dont matter.


http://youtu.be/ic-wJODT9Ew

Powerful Pete
01-27-2015, 11:57 AM
I believe that the camaraderie, but also the competitive elements help - I know that my riding has definitely been bumped up as I try to get ahead of or catch up with others in the standings. All in good fun, of course. Honestly, there are several days where I would have rathered eat pasta and stay in my PJs but got out and rode to keep myself in the running (my objective is really a top 20 finish considering forthcoming business travel and life's realities).

So, it's not really stalking others on Strava, more keeping an eye on their riding and, quite frankly, being inspired to ride more because of what I see in terms of their achievements.

Arlingtonrider
01-27-2015, 12:02 PM
. I spend way too much time looking at Strava and http://freezingsaddles.com/

Your competitors appreciate that you use up all this time. ;)

Phatboing
01-27-2015, 12:03 PM
Cool. I almost wish it was not possible to look at the other riders and such. I spend way too much time looking at Strava and http://freezingsaddles.com/ Which is why the day the contest ends on Friday March 20th will be my last Strava ride.

Or maybe Freezing Saddles gets you hooked on Strava (or, at least, recording rides). It's happened to me, and it's a real danger.

creadinger
01-27-2015, 12:07 PM
Raymo, maybe you should get Census IT to classify freezingsaddles.com as porn like NOAA did. Therefore you won't be able to do as much obsessing at work. Since I can't keep up with it at work, my interest level is lower than I would like. It's just that when I get home, I have 100 other things to do as well and freezing saddles isn't in the top 10.

Part of the fallout is that although I'm meeting all of my personal goals so far this year, I'm not doing as well with points because I'm just not going to suit up for a 5 minute ride for 11 points every day. More power to the people who do, but I have other things to do.

vvill
01-27-2015, 12:07 PM
Dismal is right - private rides will be counted (that's why you have to authorize yourself on the FS website I think). You could just not upload or yeah mark as training + private or #nobafs + private, but that's certainly not in the spirit of it all.


I will not be taking part. Made a promise last night to my fiancee who had to wait in the car while I sleazed last night.

Get her to sign up next year? :D

jopamora
01-27-2015, 12:17 PM
I believe this would violate the rule against sandbagging. Discussions can be kept private, but rides cannot.

I don't even know how to cheat properly

hozn
01-27-2015, 12:45 PM
No, No, No... You are doing this all wrong. Private rides count in the scoring. What you do is mark all your rides as training (and private if you really want to disguise things) and then unmark them all on March 20.:rolleyes:

This is a great blackboxing strategy! -- The only downside is you'd miss out on any Strava challenges (if you care), since they typically (always?) disqualify trainer rides. But, yeah, marking the rides as trainer rides (which I think you have to do by editing the ride after it was initially saved/processed), would be a great disguise; I don't know that there'd be a trivial way to tell that they weren't actual rides if folks are looking at your stream.

Yes, the scoreboard can see private rides, since effectively the scoreboard connects *as you* to Strava to request data. Private rides can't be processed for segments or photos, though. That's probably not surprising.

FYI, the scoreboard can also see any other information Strava knows about you [and has exposed in the API] -- e.g. it knows your email address, your bikes, your age, your heartrate etc. etc. Basically, anything that you can see in the iphone/android apps is exposed in the API (they use the API for those apps). Some things, like specifics of equipment on your bikes, are not yet exposed.

I thought it might be fun to use some of the fatigue algorithms using hearrate analysis etc. out there to predict when your competitors might be wearing out. It sounded like a fun exercise, but my wife suggested that's getting a little invasive on the privacy front. Upon reflection, I could see how that might be crossing the line.

Raymo853
01-27-2015, 12:56 PM
Raymo, maybe you should get Census IT to classify freezingsaddles.com as porn like NOAA did. Therefore you won't be able to do as much obsessing at work. .

It is funny, Strava is periodically blocked here at Census and then quickly unblocked. I suspect there is some Strava nut on some sort of web security review board who unblocks it.

creadinger
01-27-2015, 12:59 PM
It is funny, Strava is periodically blocked here at Census and then quickly unblocked. I suspect there is some Strava nut on some sort of web security review board who unblocks it.

Haha, nice. We have strava thankfully. But I just ran into a new problem, which is much worse for ride planning purposes. I can open ridewithGPS, but I can't login to edit anything. Damnit! I used to spend hours (shhhhh, don't tell Uncle Sam!) planning long weekend rides during lulls in the work week.

I just checked, and hilariously, I can login to Mapmyride, and create a route. Anyone know if their elevation data as caught up to the likes of ridewithgps yet? That's why I initially made the switch away.

Raymo853
01-27-2015, 01:03 PM
I don't even know how to cheat properly

One strategy, not necessarily cheating, is to find single guys or girls racking up too many points and fix them up. Eric Williams' ride titled something like "I can only do these double centuries because I don't have a girlfriend" gave me that idea.

Eric hold old are you by the way?

rcannon100
01-27-2015, 01:13 PM
One strategy, not necessarily cheating, is to find single guys or girls racking up too many points and fix them up. Eric Williams' ride titled something like "I can only do these double centuries because I don't have a girlfriend" gave me that idea.

Eric hold old are you by the way?

I am told that this strategy has a habit of backfiring. You see, it occurs, sometimes, I'm just saying, that marriages take place and at some point spouses are seeking quality time AWAY from each other. Certain members of this forum, I'm not naming names {cough*everyone*cough} have been known to use cycling as a way of avoiding their families.

Brn Moore
01-27-2015, 01:27 PM
One strategy, not necessarily cheating, is to find single guys or girls racking up too many points and fix them up. Eric Williams' ride titled something like "I can only do these double centuries because I don't have a girlfriend" gave me that idea.

Eric hold old are you by the way?

Sorry, no setting up our ringer until 21 March. His team captain forbids it.

Raymo853
01-27-2015, 01:34 PM
Sorry, no setting up our ringer until 21 March. His team captain forbids it.

Oh it will be benefit to your team, the woman I have in mind is a nutritionist and very fit. She is a marathon runner with a decent bike and rides like most runners I know. All freaking out for about twenty miles and then collapses.

KayakCyndi
01-27-2015, 01:41 PM
So, it's not really stalking others on Strava, more keeping an eye on their riding and, quite frankly, being inspired to ride more because of what I see in terms of their achievements.

Oh, I'm totally stalking people on Strava. Kurt (Vicegrip) and Glenn I'm watching you!

p.s. It is not helping that they both seem to enjoy night rides ....

Raymo853
01-27-2015, 03:06 PM
Or maybe Freezing Saddles gets you hooked on Strava (or, at least, recording rides). It's happened to me, and it's a real danger.

BAFS 2014 helped increase the problem and 2015 has continued the bad trend. My Premium Account expires March 17th and it will not be renewed. I will still use Strava once in a while, but not for every commute, sashay to the store, etc. I will only miss being able to download GPX of other people's rides.

Vicegrip
01-27-2015, 05:42 PM
I think that also makes them private form the BAFS system. Might be cool as all your points would show up at once and you could jump to the top with no warning.
Private or not there is the little detail that in order to jump to the front you need to ride there ;)

rcannon100
01-27-2015, 05:47 PM
Private or not there is the little detail that in order to jump to the front you need to ride there ;)

Or cheat. Cheating is much easier.

Vicegrip
01-27-2015, 05:48 PM
Oh, I'm totally stalking people on Strava. Kurt (Vicegrip) and Glenn I'm watching you!

p.s. It is not helping that they both seem to enjoy night rides ....Oh hell. Does that mean I need to comb my hair and check my kit for mismatches before I ride now?

Vicegrip
01-27-2015, 05:51 PM
Or cheat. Cheating is much easier. Easy on the body. Hard on the soul.

Steve O
01-27-2015, 09:03 PM
I will not be taking part. Made a promise last night to my fiancee who had to wait in the car while I sleazed last night.

fiancee schmiancee. Get your priorities straight.

peterw_diy
01-27-2015, 09:38 PM
What you do is mark all your rides as training (and private if you really want to disguise things) and then unmark them all on March 20.:rolleyes:

Or, just upload everything on March 20.

I overheard this strategy discussed at happy hour. While it's very thoughtful that the bafs site will import rides entered late, I think it'd be good if it enforced a deadline like 48 hours after the ride ended, precisely to prevent this super-sleazy tactic.

cvcalhoun
01-27-2015, 10:31 PM
I overheard this strategy discussed at happy hour. While it's very thoughtful that the bafs site will import rides entered late, I think it'd be good if it enforced a deadline like 48 hours after the ride ended, precisely to prevent this super-sleazy tactic.

The "super-sleazy tactic," a/k/a "sandbagging," is explicitly forbidden by the rules. However, as with so many other aspects of Freezing Saddles, there isn't currently a specific enforcement mechanism.

DismalScientist
01-27-2015, 11:24 PM
Sorry, but that is not the definition of sand bagging.

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americancyclo
01-28-2015, 08:53 AM
The "super-sleazy tactic," a/k/a "sandbagging," is explicitly forbidden by the rules. However, as with so many other aspects of Freezing Saddles, there isn't currently a specific enforcement mechanism.

There aren't any rules that forbid late uploading of rides. There isn't any explicit mandate as to when rides must be uploaded.

Sandbagging as I've always understood it in this context means using false data to misrepresent how much you think you'll be riding during the competition.

It might be sneaky, but if you put in the miles, you get the credit. Some folks need instant gratification, others can wait.
Is it sleazy that I don't upload my Friday evening commute, weekend rides, and Monday morning commute until I get to work on Monday morning?

rcannon100
01-28-2015, 09:30 AM
Soooo I will break from usual snarks and say this:

FS is a volunteer run game among friends that has no real point. If you wanted to cheat at FS, you always could. And nothing will stop you, other than - as someone mentioned - your own personal karma. If you want to claim to have ridden a sleaze mile when you didnt - nothing will stop you. If you want to claim that you rode 300 miles and whammy the scoreboard - nothing is going to stop you.

There is a Spirit of the Game (http://www.usaultimate.org/about/ultimate/spirit_of_the_game.aspx). If you want this to continue to be fun, if you want this to happen next year, if you want people to continue to volunteer their efforts - live up to the Spirit of the Game.

But if winning something that is pointless is that important to you - there aint nothing going to stop you - 'cept for pissing in your own drinking water. You will annoy other participants. You will aggravate people putting in volunteer hours. You will ruin a game that lots of people are having fund participating.

There is no rule against cheating? There is also no rule that says where the mess hall is (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104257/quotes).

Live up to the Spirit of the Game. It is okay to make fun of Team 5, but dont be a jerk.

http://bodinsterba.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/buddhabike-899x1024.jpg

dasgeh
01-28-2015, 10:04 AM
I overheard this strategy discussed at happy hour. While it's very thoughtful that the bafs site will import rides entered late, I think it'd be good if it enforced a deadline like 48 hours after the ride ended, precisely to prevent this super-sleazy tactic.


The "super-sleazy tactic," a/k/a "sandbagging," is explicitly forbidden by the rules. However, as with so many other aspects of Freezing Saddles, there isn't currently a specific enforcement mechanism.

What Peterw-diy describes isn't sandbagging and isn't mentioned in the rules. Nor should it be, in my opinion. People have very legitimate reasons for uploading rides when they do (i.e. people who upload at home, so wait until weekends; or upload at work, so wait until Monday; or go on vacation). Besides, it's a team competition: it would take so much work and coordination to figure out where your team is if you were all trying to hide it from the rest of us. And in this competition, it doesn't really help to know where all the other teams stand -- you just gotta ride as much as you can/want to. Encourage the rest of your team to. There's no other magic to it. Riding a bike is magical enough.

As far as the original question, eh. If you put something in a public place, you have to expect the public can see it, right? If you don't want annoying people trying to bring dogs into your thread, I mean hijack your thread, find another place to have the discussion.

DismalScientist
01-28-2015, 10:13 AM
If you wanted to cheat at FS, you always could. And nothing will stop you, other than - as someone mentioned - your own personal karma. ... If you want to claim that you rode 300 miles and whammy the scoreboard - nothing is going to stop you.

As someone who uploaded a 3000 mile ride to go jackalope spotting, I can only say it is not cheating if the ride does not show up in the final tally.:rolleyes:

Vicegrip
01-28-2015, 10:22 AM
There aren't any rules that forbid late uploading of rides. There isn't any explicit mandate as to when rides must be uploaded.

Sandbagging as I've always understood it in this context means using false data to misrepresent how much you think you'll be riding during the competition.

It might be sneaky, but if you put in the miles, you get the credit. Some folks need instant gratification, others can wait.
Is it sleazy that I don't upload my Friday evening commute, weekend rides, and Monday morning commute until I get to work on Monday morning?I agree. Upload when you like. All should keep in mind the spirit of our silly little game too. Bulk loading when you have the time and access is one thing. Just one opinion. Doing something out of range with intent to mess with the flow and intended activity of the game is another. You will likely end up not fooling or entertaining anyone but yourself and become "That guy/gal"

hozn
01-28-2015, 10:34 AM
I agree. Upload when you like. All should keep in mind the spirit of our silly little game too. Bulk loading when you have the time and access is one thing. Just one opinion. Doing something out of range with intent to mess with the flow and intended activity of the game is another. You will likely end up not fooling or entertaining anyone but yourself and become "That guy/gal"

Yeah, I agree that we shouldn't ban after-the-fact uploading. I think there's plenty of social pressure (from team, etc.) to keep people actively participating and uploading things in a timeline manner. If you post large ride numbers and then "go silent", your competitors will probably notice. I don't think we need to lose sleep over this. I'm certainly not, but then I'm not playing :)

If people were actually to deliberately cheat (upload/create fake rides with intent of them counting in the competition) we'd likely just disqualify the whole team. I don't know that we have a specific policy, but I think a zero tolerance policy there would be appropriate. But I'm sure we won't have to deal with that issue.

americancyclo
01-28-2015, 10:37 AM
As far as the original question, eh. If you put something in a public place, you have to expect the public can see it, right? If you don't want annoying people trying to bring dogs into your thread, I mean hijack your thread, find another place to have the discussion.

Like the Discussion area of your Strava Club. :D

rcannon100
01-28-2015, 11:02 AM
If people were actually to deliberately cheat (upload/create fake rides with intent of them counting in the competition) we'd likely just disqualify the whole team. .

I did say the first year, after someone started jerking around the scoreboard, that any team that continued to do this would simply be disqualified. Respect those people putting work into this game; dont be a jerk ~ follow the Spirit of the Game.

dkel
01-28-2015, 11:25 AM
Wsgfabr.

lordofthemark
01-28-2015, 11:51 AM
What Peterw-diy describes isn't sandbagging and isn't mentioned in the rules. Nor should it be, in my opinion. People have very legitimate reasons for uploading rides when they do (i.e. people who upload at home, so wait until weekends; or upload at work, so wait until Monday; or go on vacation). Besides, it's a team competition: it would take so much work and coordination to figure out where your team is if you were all trying to hide it from the rest of us. And in this competition, it doesn't really help to know where all the other teams stand -- you just gotta ride as much as you can/want to. Encourage the rest of your team to. There's no other magic to it. Riding a bike is magical enough.

As far as the original question, eh. If you put something in a public place, you have to expect the public can see it, right? If you don't want annoying people trying to bring dogs into your thread, I mean hijack your thread, find another place to have the discussion.

Maybe its because I never got one of those fancy bike computers, and did not get Strava till I got my smartphone, but are most people really uploading from a bike computer to a home or office PC? Its really, really easy to do it on the phone, and Stava is pretty economical with data and power, AFAICT.

Phatboing
01-28-2015, 12:18 PM
Maybe its because I never got one of those fancy bike computers, and did not get Strava till I got my smartphone, but are most people really uploading from a bike computer to a home or office PC? Its really, really easy to do it on the phone, and Stava is pretty economical with data and power, AFAICT.

It is really easy to do it on a phone, and Strava does get credit for being not heavy on battery. But I went explorin last winter, and at the end of many miles, and near the end of my phone's battery life, I got lost and had to use The Maps Of The Goog to navigate my way back home or to public transport, and pretty soon I ran the battery down entirely. Since then I have the bike computer for bike GPS things, and the phone for emergency phone things, so lack of battery life in one rarely (if at all) affects the other.

cvcalhoun
01-28-2015, 12:57 PM
Sorry, but that is not the definition of sand bagging.

Interesting. What is the definition of sandbagging, then? It can't be minimizing your handicap in the first place, since handicaps are now based on the prior year's points, which are a matter of public record.

Dickie
01-28-2015, 12:58 PM
Maybe its because I never got one of those fancy bike computers, and did not get Strava till I got my smartphone, but are most people really uploading from a bike computer to a home or office PC? Its really, really easy to do it on the phone, and Stava is pretty economical with data and power, AFAICT.
One of the big differences between the phone and a dedicated bike computer is real time viewing (unless you mount the phone on your bars and have it running the whole time). I find some motivation in seeing my stats as they happen so I prefer using a Garmin/dedicated bike computer that I plug into my computer each morning to upload my rides, others like my wife prefer not to see them until the end of the ride so she is fine using only her mobile phone and uploading directly to Strava.

hozn
01-28-2015, 01:00 PM
Maybe its because I never got one of those fancy bike computers, and did not get Strava till I got my smartphone, but are most people really uploading from a bike computer to a home or office PC? Its really, really easy to do it on the phone, and Stava is pretty economical with data and power, AFAICT.

Phones are fine for just creating a GPS track for short rides, but 1) the GPS is typically not very good, 2) you can't keep it on to see your speed, HR etc. (w/o killing your battery super fast, anyway) 3) you can't integrate with the other sensors such as cadence, HR, or power (some of these -- esp HR -- can be gotten that speak Bluetooth instead) and 4) as phatboing notes it sucks to kill your phone and then be unable to use it for emergencies. So, yeah, the "standard" for those that ride a lot and want the data is to use a Garmin. Of course, the Garmins now automatically sync, so the days of plugging in the device to upload rides are in the rearview mirror.

cvcalhoun
01-28-2015, 01:09 PM
I agree. Upload when you like. All should keep in mind the spirit of our silly little game too. Bulk loading when you have the time and access is one thing. Just one opinion. Doing something out of range with intent to mess with the flow and intended activity of the game is another. You will likely end up not fooling or entertaining anyone but yourself and become "That guy/gal"

Yeah, I've never had an issue with someone who doesn't upload right away due to issues with time and access. And I can see that a mechanical 48 hour rule would be an issue. (If I go on vacation for a week somewhere I don't have Internet access, should my rides during the vacation not count because they weren't uploaded until I got home?)

However, I do believe waiting until the last day to upload miles violates the spirit of the game, even if it doesn't violate a specific rule. Part of the fun of the game is checking to see where your team stands each day, and perhaps being motivated to go out and ride some miles to improve its standing. If some team that appeared to be behind for the whole time suddenly wins because someone uploads a couple thousand points on March 20, I'd end up feeling a lot less positive about the game.

The prizes in this game are not exactly going to make you rich. (I'm pretty sure the decorated paper plate and the lint roller I ended up with last year wouldn't fetch much on eBay.) The point is having fun, and being motivated to bike more. Why do something that would interfere with those goals, even if it would increase your chances of winning?

cvcalhoun
01-28-2015, 01:12 PM
One of the big differences between the phone and a dedicated bike computer is real time viewing (unless you mount the phone on your bars and have it running the whole time). I find some motivation in seeing my stats as they happen so I prefer using a Garmin/dedicated bike computer that I plug into my computer each morning to upload my rides, others like my wife prefer not to see them until the end of the ride so she is fine using only her mobile phone and uploading directly to Strava.

I actually have a phone mount on my handlebars. However, if I keep my phone display as well as the GPS on for the entire ride, the battery will die very quickly. The bike computer allows me to have a real-time display for up to 12 hours (at least now that I have managed to get a new battery for the Garmin!), without running down the phone battery.


Of course, the Garmins now automatically sync, so the days of plugging in the device to upload rides are in the rearview mirror.

Well, not for all of us. I'm still using a Garmin Edge 500, and syncing it every night.

lordofthemark
01-28-2015, 01:37 PM
I do tend to forget A. How fancy those fancy bike computers are and B. How long some of y'all tend to ride at one time. Thanks for the info.

Steve O
01-28-2015, 03:10 PM
Interesting. What is the definition of sandbagging, then? It can't be minimizing your handicap in the first place, since handicaps are now based on the prior year's points, which are a matter of public record.

Correct; sandbagging doesn't really apply this year. The one instance where it might was in the registration where newbies were asked to report their average miles per week if they were a fairly big rider. Someone (but only a newbie) could have purposely shorted their number.
Players from last year could not sandbag unless they were so clever they knew that their miles back then would affect their placement now. There are no people in FS who are that clever; sorry.

Also, as it turns out, since the "algorithm" (haha) used to create the teams this year was not MR20 as had been widely discussed, but rather an ad hoc one devised by the registration czar, sandbagging would have been even more challenging, if not entirely impossible.

Therefore there cannot be a "Sandbagging" pointless prize this year, because sandbagging cannot occur.

Alcova cyclist
01-28-2015, 03:42 PM
Handicaps are now based on the prior year's points, which are a matter of public record.

This explains my mediocre mileage so far. It's part of my long game to win BAFS 2016.


I will not be taking part. Made a promise last night to my fiancee who had to wait in the car while I sleazed last night.

I believe the correct response here is to direct you to Rule 11 (http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#11)

DismalScientist
01-28-2015, 03:53 PM
I did say the first year, after someone started jerking around the scoreboard, that any team that continued to do this would simply be disqualified. Respect those people putting work into this game; dont be a jerk ~ follow the Spirit of the Game.

So "accidentally" uploading a ride with the wrong mileage figure and having it remain on Strava for 15 minutes before deleting it is jerking around with the scoreboard? However, "accidentally" uploading a ride with a 7 second duration and not fixing for at least a couple of days, particularly since it gives you average speed bragging rights, is not viewed similarly.:rolleyes:

Raymo853
01-28-2015, 04:24 PM
This thread has really drifted on topics, covering everything from Eric's Tinder Profile, fooling with when you do upload rides, what is a sandbagger, using things like Digital EPO (http://www.digitalepo.com/), ...

Makes me really wish I had spelled discussions in the title correctly.

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Alcova cyclist
01-28-2015, 07:17 PM
This thread has really drifted on topics, covering everything from Eric's Tinder Profile, fooling with when you do upload rides, what is a sandbagger, using things like Digital EPO (http://www.digitalepo.com/), ...

As a team-who-must-not-be-named member, I find this discussion normal, if not actually sorely lacking in sidebars, people taking offense, and indecision regarding solutions to simple problems.

Raymo853
01-29-2015, 08:48 AM
team-who-must-not-be-named . Is that a Lovecraft or Harry Potter reference?

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ewilliams0305
01-29-2015, 03:10 PM
WOW, what ever happened to fixing me up, we really got off topic here. Although BA forum (last I checked) wasn't an online dating service, so it's all good.

As for cheating, I only ask why? Can't imagine what could be more rewarding than actually riding your bike in sub freezing temperatures, rain, and snow!

I've really been enjoying this competition, and in the Spirit of the competition I'm going to keep riding. Your all welcome to join me for A ride anytime, my team or not. Don't worry I'll find a way to squeeze in an extra metric at the end to even things up. Oh, and please read our discussions and join our team for a group ride, you just might find yourself having a good time....



BTW, 30yrs old, 6'1" and lanky....

Rod Smith
01-29-2015, 07:47 PM
Someone read the French Team's communiques last year. It got ugly. I sincerely hope my teammates are holding some aces up their sleeves. Of course I'm sitting on a few double metrics. Sure feel like sandbags to me. Mold nicely to the sit bones.

Rod Smith
01-29-2015, 07:52 PM
We're gonna beat the Slackers so bad! :mad:

Raymo853
01-29-2015, 08:45 PM
BTW, 30yrs old, 6'1" and lanky....

Too young for the nutritionist, however, maybe not my new neighbor.

Also, how about the Bicycle Space Valentine Day's ride?
http://www.bicyclespacedc.com/lookingforlove