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dasgeh
01-14-2014, 09:35 AM
The Kidical Mass Arlington (KM-A, as not to be confused) Holiday Lights ride was awesome. Westover Beer Garden was especially awesome. I noticed as we were rolling out that they have firepits, and thought "wouldn't it be amazing to have a KM-A ride end here right as they're firing up, so we could have 'smores".

Given that I don't want to ask people to bring their kids out when it's _too_ cold, I want to wait until a warmer weekend is forecast. In the mean time, I thought I'd figure out a route. Ultimately, we'd start at a playground, bike 2-4 miles, and end at Westover. The main problem I see is that I don't know of any approach to Westover that isn't a significant hill. Officially, the KM-A limit is 5% grade, but I don't want to ask people to do much distance in the 3-5% range.

I'd love to hear suggestions for routes, or even just for ideas to get to Westover from any direction without a major hill (or major street). Thanks!

DismalScientist
01-14-2014, 09:48 AM
How about something like this: https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=14th+and+lincoln,+arlington+va&daddr=38.888494,-77.11106+to:38.8839194,-77.1113911+to:38.882665,-77.1173407+to:38.8865296,-77.121633+to:Westover+Market,+Washington+Boulevard ,+Arlington,+VA&hl=en&ll=38.884519,-77.118509&spn=0.029314,0.017574&sll=38.882698,-77.122371&sspn=0.029314,0.017574&geocode=FRZkUQIdS39n-ymn5V4bKrS3iTEI_PV9-pGJPQ%3BFS5kUQId7GBn-ylZq6eHLrS3iTEX52tVPYMQYg%3BFU9SUQIdoV9n-ynNs5mAL7S3iTEQNwMMQ6dHiA%3BFWlNUQIdZEhn-ylbnpJQOrS3iTGzv8rke5ufjA%3BFYFcUQIdnzdn-ykHvJ4TN7S3iTF2czzbyKf35g%3BFdtYUQIdketm-yGen24zAHGicinr3rZAWrS3iTGen24zAHGicg&oq=westover&dirflg=b&mra=dpe&mrsp=4&sz=16&via=1,2,3,4&t=m&z=16&lci=bike

The problem appears to be if you want to get to Ballston without hills you almost need to go on Fairfax Dr or Washington Blvd and keep south of the Custis.

dasgeh
01-14-2014, 09:52 AM
How about something like this: https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=14th+and+lincoln,+arlington+va&daddr=38.888494,-77.11106+to:38.8839194,-77.1113911+to:38.882665,-77.1173407+to:38.8865296,-77.121633+to:Westover+Market,+Washington+Boulevard ,+Arlington,+VA&hl=en&ll=38.884519,-77.118509&spn=0.029314,0.017574&sll=38.882698,-77.122371&sspn=0.029314,0.017574&geocode=FRZkUQIdS39n-ymn5V4bKrS3iTEI_PV9-pGJPQ%3BFS5kUQId7GBn-ylZq6eHLrS3iTEX52tVPYMQYg%3BFU9SUQIdoV9n-ynNs5mAL7S3iTEQNwMMQ6dHiA%3BFWlNUQIdZEhn-ylbnpJQOrS3iTGzv8rke5ufjA%3BFYFcUQIdnzdn-ykHvJ4TN7S3iTF2czzbyKf35g%3BFdtYUQIdketm-yGen24zAHGicinr3rZAWrS3iTGen24zAHGicg&oq=westover&dirflg=b&mra=dpe&mrsp=4&sz=16&via=1,2,3,4&t=m&z=16&lci=bike

The problem appears to be if you want to get to Ballston without hills you almost need to go on Fairfax Dr or Washington Blvd and keep south of the Custis.

16th is pretty hilly (by KM-A standards). That's the route I know best. I've also approached from the Custis (via Westover Park) and from the W&OD (via both Ohio St and the bridge). Hills, Hills, Hills.

DismalScientist
01-14-2014, 10:09 AM
The flattest way out of the Four Mile Run valley is probably Ohio, but that is going to make you backtrack on Washington Blvd. Another way might be Kennebec Street from Westover Park and then Washington Blvd, although there is a bit of a hill around Patrick Henry on Washington Blvd.

dasgeh
01-14-2014, 10:23 AM
You are talking about north Arlington. It's hard to get anywhere without encountering some hills along the way. What are you proposing as the starting point?

I'm happy to start anywhere, though I'd prefer a park with a playground. The problem I see is that Westover is in this little dip, and every approach to the edges of the dip includes some combination of long and steep...

DismalScientist
01-14-2014, 10:32 AM
Westover is not in a dip. I can assure you that Westover is uphill from the W&OD and, by extension, the Custis. Perhaps it makes sense to take the Ohio Street bridge over I-66, turn right on 14th Street and CLIMB McKinley to Westover.

(I still think that 16th Street is the flatest way in rather than the Custis.)

consularrider
01-14-2014, 10:47 AM
Westover is not in a dip. I can assure you that Westover is uphill from the W&OD and, by extension, the Custis. Perhaps it makes sense to take the Ohio Street bridge over I-66, turn right on 14th Street and CLIMB McKinley to Westover.

(I still think that 16th Street is the flatest way in rather than the Custis.)
If crossing I-66 on Ohio St and turneing right on 14th, you can continue on 14th to Longfellow to the light at Washington Blvd. Longfellow is a more gradual uphill than McKinley and who doesn't mind adding a little distance.

If you want to start at a playground, you could consider the one in Bluemont Park. On the way back you could use the bike lanes on Washington Blvd (short and easier climb) and Patrick Henry back to the 4MRT. The distance to Westover is 2.8 miles with the return 1.7 miles.

Steve O
01-14-2014, 11:08 AM
How about something like this: https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=14th+and+lincoln,+arlington+va&daddr=38.888494,-77.11106+to:38.8839194,-77.1113911+to:38.882665,-77.1173407+to:38.8865296,-77.121633+to:Westover+Market,+Washington+Boulevard ,+Arlington,+VA&hl=en&ll=38.884519,-77.118509&spn=0.029314,0.017574&sll=38.882698,-77.122371&sspn=0.029314,0.017574&geocode=FRZkUQIdS39n-ymn5V4bKrS3iTEI_PV9-pGJPQ%3BFS5kUQId7GBn-ylZq6eHLrS3iTEX52tVPYMQYg%3BFU9SUQIdoV9n-ynNs5mAL7S3iTEQNwMMQ6dHiA%3BFWlNUQIdZEhn-ylbnpJQOrS3iTGzv8rke5ufjA%3BFYFcUQIdnzdn-ykHvJ4TN7S3iTF2czzbyKf35g%3BFdtYUQIdketm-yGen24zAHGicinr3rZAWrS3iTGen24zAHGicg&oq=westover&dirflg=b&mra=dpe&mrsp=4&sz=16&via=1,2,3,4&t=m&z=16&lci=bike

The problem appears to be if you want to get to Ballston without hills you almost need to go on Fairfax Dr or Washington Blvd and keep south of the Custis.

I think the flattest way (but not shortest) from Ballston would be (also more distance on MUPs than streets):
Bluemont Junction to W&OD
Right on W&OD
Left at soccer field onto Arlington Mill Rd.
Immediate right onto 4MR trail towards Dominion Hills Park (formerly Mace Park)
Bear left before the park onto the sidewalk and then onto N Liberty
R. on 10th
R. on Patrick Henry - yes, there's a hill, but it's more gradual than most of the others
L. on Washington to Westover.

dasgeh
01-14-2014, 01:10 PM
16th is great after Frederick -- going up to the hospital and the hill up to Frederick are no joke. I'm looking for a route that would put us on 16th West of Frederick... Maybe from Lee Park or Big Walnut (though that would be really short).

And if Westover is in a dip -- yes, you go up McKinley from 66, but then you come down to Wash Blvd.

Patrick Henry does look like a good option too. I worry a little about leading the ride on Washington Blvd, but it's short and down hill, which makes me feel better. Lots of parks to start at in that direction.

DismalScientist
01-14-2014, 01:29 PM
How about if you try the Custis to the Harrison street ramp, straight on Fairfax Dr. to Jefferson. Take a right and go all the way to 16th and take a left.
(16th doesn't intersect Frederick. I assume you mean Harrison)



And if Westover is in a dip -- yes, you go up McKinley from 66, but then you come down to Wash Blvd.


I live a block from there and you are wrong. McKinley is flat between 15th and Wash. Blvd.

dasgeh
01-14-2014, 01:38 PM
On routing, getting to Custis and Harrison is difficult without hills...


I live a block from there and you are wrong. McKinley is flat between 15th and Wash. Blvd.

Hate to burst your bubble, but it the intersection of McKinley & 15th really is higher elevation that Westover Beer Garden (and the intersection of McKinley and Washington). I rode it on Sunday on a fully loaded cargo bike, which made me keenly aware of grade changes. Strava (http://www.strava.com/activities/105875272#z1342|1404)agrees with me. The little Google Maps man (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-77.141896!3d38.885776!2m2!1f216.35!2f69.55!4f75!2m 12!1e1!2m7!1skjVRTpZQ0g-y8U0UJpsu1g!2e0!5s+++5876+Washington+Boulevard!6f7 10.95154!8s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fcb_client% 3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26output%3Dthumbnail%26thumb%3D2 %26panoid%3DkjVRTpZQ0g-y8U0UJpsu1g%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D62%26pitch %3D0%26ll%3D38.885776%2C-77.141896!9m1!6sWashington+Boulevard!5m2!1skjVRTpZ Q0g-y8U0UJpsu1g!2e0&fid=5) sees the rise, too. You must just be the kind of super ELITE rider that doesn't notice these little blips, but they mean a lot to the fully loaded...

You are right about Frederick not hitting 16th -- I meant Greenbrier, just had maps zoomed out too much.

DismalScientist
01-14-2014, 02:04 PM
Most of the difference in elevation is due to the Beer Garden being a little below McKinley and Washington Blvd. There is an old stream bed that goes behind the houses on McKinley and probably crosses Wash. Blvd. at about Lancaster. This is what causes the dip in Wash Blvd.

20 ft in two blocks doesn't seem like much to me. The climb up the Patrick Henry bridge is certainly worse.

hozn
01-14-2014, 05:39 PM
Yup, the stream flows down (under) Lancaster and dumps into 4MR. Yeah, I think Ohio/McKinnley is a good route, or the earlier suggestion of going down 14th and then left on Longfellow. Those hills are pretty mild. Could start at Dominion Hills Park if you want something closer than Bluemont.

ShawnoftheDread
01-14-2014, 07:24 PM
The little Google Maps man[/URL] sees the rise, too.

That guy's a tool.