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dasgeh
01-07-2014, 09:13 AM
We had a short discussion at last night's ABAC meeting about getting a list together of "small" fixes to infrastructure and signage in Arlington that would make cycling safer/better. We're talking things like no turn on red signs and curb cuts, not the Spout Run cycletrack.

The idea was to start a list here, which will be compiled* and hopefully tracked over time (we'll have to figure out how do add projects going forward).

Please be as specific as possible about what the issue/fix is and where, including maps and pictures if possible.

dasgeh
01-07-2014, 09:23 AM
So I'll start:

Curb cut needed: N Meade St, east side, just south of 14th St N -- right now the trail from the Iwo Jima puts cyclists onto a narrow sidewalk, which is often filled with pedestrians. The nearest curb cut is 25 yards (?) North, at a spot where cars are often accelerating to get onto the ramp to US50E. There should be a curb cut right where the trail joins the sidewalk, allowing cyclists to get directly on the street at the safer location. [Picture of where the new curb cut should be (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.890053%2C-77.071432&cbp=%2C99.97%2C%2C1%2C10.470001&layer=c&panoid=28gsvRs0zw7Ut4RHm1ogKg&spn=0.18000000000000788%2C0.30000000000000676&output=classic&cbll=38.890053%2C-77.071432)] [Picture of where the curb cut is (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.890053%2C-77.071432&cbp=%2C99.97%2C%2C1%2C10.470001&layer=c&panoid=28gsvRs0zw7Ut4RHm1ogKg&spn=0.18000000000000788%2C0.30000000000000676&output=classic&cbll=38.890053%2C-77.071432)]

Curb cut needed: S Joyce St, east side, just north of Army Navy Drive -- there's a beautiful new "path" that is nearly impossible for a bike to get onto from the Joyce St bike lanes. A curb cut is needed north of the slip lane so a cyclist can continue straight through the intersection, and safely and easily get up onto the path. [Picture of where the new curb cut should be (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-77.062688!3d38.866108!2m2!1f51.74!2f68.31!4f75!2m9 !1e1!2m4!1stb7n1Wt_asokcKCL5pz-Zg!2e0!9m1!6sSouth+Joyce+Street!5m2!1stb7n1Wt_asok cKCL5pz-Zg!2e0&fid=5)] [Picture of where the curb cut is (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-77.062601!3d38.865987!2m2!1f46.5!2f80.36!4f75!2m12 !1e1!2m7!1sPWWFrAFYboADriQHR-89HQ!2e0!5sArmy+Navy+Drive!6f690.1976!8s%2F%2Fgeo0 .ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26o utput%3Dthumbnail%26thumb%3D2%26panoid%3DPWWFrAFYb oADriQHR-89HQ%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D187%26pitch%3D0%2 6ll%3D38.865987%2C-77.062601!9m1!6sArmy+Navy+Drive!5m2!1sPWWFrAFYboAD riQHR-89HQ!2e0&fid=5)]

dasgeh
01-07-2014, 09:30 AM
Misplaced "No Turn on Red" Sign: N Fort Myer Drive at the Lee Hwy WB/Custis Trail intersection in Rosslyn, the "No Turn on Red" sign is on the left hand side of the pole. It should be on the right hand side of the pole, next to the right-most traffic light. [The pole in question is on the left in this picture (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-77.071667!3d38.899027!2m2!1f275.85!2f90!4f75!2m9!1 e1!2m4!1sd_9L3FsoVMZw0po09Nu8lw!2e0!9m1!6sLee+High way!5m2!1sd_9L3FsoVMZw0po09Nu8lw!2e0&fid=5)]

Curb cuts and path needed: N Oakland St between Lee Hwy and 20th St N -- the street is "interrupted" as not to be passable by cars, but no adequate provision is made for bikes. Currently, bikes are forced onto a sidewalk and have to use driveways, which have unsafe sightlines. Need curb cuts at either end and a path that connects them. [Picture from the north end (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-77.106313!3d38.895656!2m2!1f172.57!2f90!4f75!2m9!1 e1!2m4!1sOQPhfNwDVDjtfQJm42wXyQ!2e0!9m1!6sNorth+Oa kland+Street!5m2!1sOQPhfNwDVDjtfQJm42wXyQ!2e0&fid=5)]

dcv
01-07-2014, 09:36 AM
I misread "fixies" in Arlington and got excited.

cyclingfool
01-07-2014, 09:59 AM
I misread "fixies" in Arlington and got excited.

Misread it here, too.

+1 on the
Curb cut needed: S Joyce St, east side, just north of Army Navy Drive

Tim Kelley
01-07-2014, 10:13 AM
5th Street in Ballston/Va Square, from Glebe to Irving

Flip the stop signs at the 5th Street intersections with Oxford Street, Lincoln Street, Kenmore Street, and Jackson Street to make 5th Street a continuous Bike Boulevard, and sign it as such. This would slow down traffic that picks up quite a bit of speed cutting from Wilson to Pershing Street. 5th Street doesn't connect to Glebe so it wouldn't encourage much east-west cut through, and if it does then small roundabouts would slow things down.

rcannon100
01-07-2014, 10:30 AM
South Bound Lorcom Lane turning West on Route 29 (Old Dom) (http://goo.gl/maps/94uP6): The turning right on red traffic does not stop for the red light. This crossing is used both by cyclists heading east to the Custis as well as children walking to school (HBW). The right-turn-on-red traffic also conflicts with traffic on west bound Old Dom/29 crossing the intersection but needing to move to the right lane to turn right. This has been marked as a hazardous intersection on ArlCo maps for decades. This is a bad intersection that needs to be fixed. Solutions include (1) changing it to no turn on red (2) continuing with turn on red but changing the infrastructure to force an actual stop - such as a speed bump or (3) law enforcement

The Zachary Taylor / Donaldson Run bike path (http://goo.gl/maps/SaLpH) between 26th St N and N Vermont is highly rutted and needs to be repaved. This is a common route of kids from the neighborhood cycling to Yorktown.

There is a new condo complex on Lee Hwy (North Side) in Cherrydale (http://goo.gl/maps/lRp1O). The garage exit is on the East Side of the building and car drivers are blind to any east bound bike traffic. This is a common route of cyclists headed to the Custis. The Garage exit has a white line painted on the ground marking the safe place for cars to stop before exiting the facility - but no stop sign. It needs a stop sign before an exiting car hits a pedestrian or cyclist.

On the Custis east of Cherrydale, just after the pedestrian bridge to nowhere (http://goo.gl/maps/rWyCp), is a pretty bad dip in the pavement of the custis. This needs to be repaired.

In Rosslyn, at Lynn St and Custis Trail, there is a problematic intersection. It's known as the Intersection of Doom. Cyclists have been approaching the county for DECADES to fix it. Might be a good item to look at.

skreaminquadz
01-07-2014, 11:16 AM
Fairfax Drive and North Wakefield

I really do like what they did to this section, but I've run into issues with cars parked in the lane waiting to pick up Marymount students. The last time this happened I decided to ask the person to move their car as it's in the bike lane. She pointed out that there was a sign back about 10 feet indicating that the bike lane ended. So I go back and sure enough, she's correct. It's clearly left over from when the bike lane actually DID end there. But now that it's extended it would be a great idea to take down that sign and paint a cool bike lane person on the asphalt, or whatever they're called.

JustinW
01-07-2014, 12:01 PM
Rt 50 Westbound from ~ Pershing, on the path next to Rt 50 proper: Remove the bollards (2, each fixed, metal, unmoving) centered in a couple of pretty narrow curb cuts. No reason for their existence, except perhaps to make cyclists unhappy and possibly cause a wreck. See map here (http://goo.gl/maps/8QnFd).

PotomacCyclist
01-07-2014, 12:04 PM
Add curb cuts on S. Joyce St., to the south and to the north of the Capital Bikeshare station (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-77.063503!3d38.863301!2m2!1f82.07!2f88.73!4f75!2m9 !1e1!2m4!1sdLLRYkktLbWDONld_1tw7w!2e0!9m1!6sSouth+ Joyce+Street!5m2!1sdLLRYkktLbWDONld_1tw7w!2e0&fid=5). These will connect the road to the sidewalk.

CaBi users are forced to ride on the sidewalk to and from the bike station. Either that, or they have to lift the very heavy bikes over the curb to travel from the bike lane to the station. The sidewalk is usually full of pedestrians, so this is not an ideal set-up.

Note that the bike station is now sited about 80 feet south of its original location at Pentagon Row.

rcannon100
01-07-2014, 01:25 PM
Place a CABI station at N Glebe Rd and Lee Hwy. There are multiple commercial establishments in that neighborhood including the Lee-Heights Shopping Mall, Metro-29 Diner, Thirty Bernies, and Cowboy Cafe. There is also a major housing development about to go online. It is also a very reasonable bicycle distance to the ballston area with safe routes along Utah street. It would also be a good intermediary point if Marymout U ever decides to get a station (including apt complexes where MU students live).

Tim Kelley
01-07-2014, 02:56 PM
Fairfax Drive and North Wakefield

I really do like what they did to this section, but I've run into issues with cars parked in the lane waiting to pick up Marymount students. The last time this happened I decided to ask the person to move their car as it's in the bike lane. She pointed out that there was a sign back about 10 feet indicating that the bike lane ended. So I go back and sure enough, she's correct. It's clearly left over from when the bike lane actually DID end there. But now that it's extended it would be a great idea to take down that sign and paint a cool bike lane person on the asphalt, or whatever they're called.

FYI--The bike lane doesn't end until the marking ends after the sign is posted. A bike lane ends sign doesn't mean the bike lane ends at that point. It's typically posted in advance of where the bike lane actually ends to give cyclists a chance to decide whether to join the travel lane, take the sidewalk, or take whatever action they feel is appropriate.

Next time, tell the lady to look down at the ground and to get moving!

cyclingfool
01-07-2014, 03:15 PM
FYI--The bike lane doesn't end until the marking ends after the sign is posted. A bike lane ends sign doesn't mean the bike lane ends at that point. It's typically posted in advance of where the bike lane actually ends to give cyclists a chance to decide whether to join the travel lane, take the sidewalk, or take whatever action they feel is appropriate.

Next time, tell the lady to look down at the ground and to get moving!

And just in case she still doesn't get it, point out that ____ LANE ENDS signs on the highway are posted 1/4 mile or more before the end of the lane. Ask her to try parking her car just past a LEFT LANE ENDS sign on the interstate and see what happens...

consularrider
01-07-2014, 03:29 PM
Easy fixes:

Add curb cuts at the dead end of N Liberty St and the 4MRT in Dominion Hills Park. When the park was rebuilt and the trail access repaved, no curb cuts were included.

Remove one of the most useless bollards in Arlington, on the bridge over 4MR in Glencarlyn Park from the parking lot on the south side of the Run over to the split uphill access to the W&OD. The bollard is on the north side of the run and bridge is too narrow for a car to cross over from the south side anyway.

Remove the collard in the middle of the trail on the south side of I-66 at the 9th Rd N and N Kennsington St.

oldbikechick
01-07-2014, 09:09 PM
Change the timing of the light at the 66 off-ramp crossing Lynn St going West such that the light is red for cars while the pedestrian light is green.

Put some sort of gutter near the wall of the portion of the Custis trail along 66 between Lee Hwy (Bergmann's) and Spout run so that when water comes out of the several downspouts onto the trail when it's cold, it doesn't freeze into a sheet of ice on the trail.

Paint markings on the Custis trail at trail intersections where it may not be clear who has the right of way. Ie. there are several sections where "tributary" trails or on-ramps connect with the main trail. In most places it's obvious, but in some, it is not clear and an infrequent trail user might not realize they are on the tributary and should yield to the main trail (I assume).

Subby
01-07-2014, 09:47 PM
On the Custis east of Cherrydale, just after the pedestrian bridge to nowhere (http://goo.gl/maps/rWyCp), is a pretty bad dip in the pavement of the custis. This needs to be repaired.
Seconded. This has turned in to a bizarro roller coaster of bumps and dips for about 100 feet. Some of the depressions fill with leaves and water and freeze over. That whole stretch from the bottom of the corkscrew of fun (Lyon Village) east to Rosslyn\Lee Hwy could use some TLC in spots.

Justin Antos
01-08-2014, 09:11 AM
At W&OD mile 0, crossing S Shirlington Road (https://maps.google.com/?ll=38.843602,-77.085652&spn=0.007412,0.013937&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=38.843602,-77.085652&panoid=kigctLrPz0bLwjuYopK-ow&cbp=12,221.74,,0,4.16) and Four Mile Run Dr. The beg-button for the HAWK signal doesn't seem to work (last I checked).

Also, 50 feet away, how about a big Leading Pedestrian Interval for the stoplights controlling the intersection of S. Shirlington and Four Mile Run Dr? I've seen alot of near-hooks there from drivers who don't appear to believe they need to yield to the crosswalk. Light phasing changes, or signs, might go a long way.

Kolohe
01-08-2014, 02:52 PM
At the corner of South Glebe Road and Potomac Ave, make a better way of exiting the Cabi station to the north along Potomac Ave. (as illustrated here:http://bikearlingtonforum.com/showthread.php?6209-Crystal-City-Above-Ground&p=69894#post69894) The ped signal call button that exists is way far away from the curb cut and in any case there's no way to call to cross Potomac (as there's no ped crossing there). And bikes, even Cabis :) are too light to trigger the traffic light.

car(e) free family
01-08-2014, 04:58 PM
Did the "No Turn On Red" sign that was proposed for this intersection get approved? If so, has it been installed?

I just saw that the signs have been installed! Yippee!

Kolohe
01-09-2014, 03:42 PM
These grates: http://goo.gl/maps/wzsyx at Lynn & 19th are a persistent hazard for anyone in the Lynn Street bikelane, and made worse by the bus that is frequently parked there. (because it makes the only path between the traffic and the bus go right over the grove at the edge of the grate).

Guus
01-11-2014, 09:34 PM
Fix the bike lane on Quincy, north-bound after the crossing with Washington Blvd. For 200 yards the bike lane is discontinued, and then interrupted by 3 parking spots. This forces bicyclist into motor traffic that is accelerating after making the crossing with Washington.

There are sharrows on the road but it's unsafe.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=N+Wakefield+and+N+Fairfax+Dr+&hl=en&ll=38.886057,-77.108007&spn=0.010105,0.021136&sll=38.897458,-77.099434&sspn=0.010103,0.021136&hnear=Fairfax+Dr+%26+N+Wakefield+St,+Arlington,+Vi rginia+22203&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.886057,-77.108007&panoid=ehDCe5VUQpbBChaKQ5cptw&cbp=12,0,,0,0

ebubar
01-12-2014, 08:59 AM
Place a CABI station at N Glebe Rd and Lee Hwy. There are multiple commercial establishments in that neighborhood including the Lee-Heights Shopping Mall, Metro-29 Diner, Thirty Bernies, and Cowboy Cafe. There is also a major housing development about to go online. It is also a very reasonable bicycle distance to the ballston area with safe routes along Utah street. It would also be a good intermediary point if Marymout U ever decides to get a station (including apt complexes where MU students live).

I like this idea! I'm going to try to work on convincing more folks at MU that they should be biking and this would help with that!

Also, the bike lanes on Military Road when you get around Old north glebe road are abysmal. Potholes, paint completely rubbed off. This seems bad as it's the best (only?) bike lane connection in that area to connect to Chain Bridge which is "nicely" connected with both the C&O and the Capital Crescent Trail.

bobco85
01-12-2014, 11:47 AM
Fix the bike lane on Quincy, north-bound after the crossing with Washington Blvd. For 200 yards the bike lane is discontinued, and then interrupted by 3 parking spots. This forces bicyclist into motor traffic that is accelerating after making the crossing with Washington.

There are sharrows on the road but it's unsafe.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=N+Wakefield+and+N+Fairfax+Dr+&hl=en&ll=38.886057,-77.108007&spn=0.010105,0.021136&sll=38.897458,-77.099434&sspn=0.010103,0.021136&hnear=Fairfax+Dr+%26+N+Wakefield+St,+Arlington,+Vi rginia+22203&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.886057,-77.108007&panoid=ehDCe5VUQpbBChaKQ5cptw&cbp=12,0,,0,0

I think the intersection of Quincy/Washington Blvd should have a bike box for northbound traffic to avoid this merge problem.

consularrider
01-13-2014, 08:33 AM
I think the intersection of Quincy/Washington Blvd should have a bike box for northbound traffic to avoid this merge problem.
That intersection also badly needs left turn arrows for all four directions, there are left turn lanes, but no turn arrows and turning traffic backs up frequently during the day and I've seen way too many drivers trying to squeeze that turn in in front of an oncoming cyclist.

consularrider
01-13-2014, 08:41 AM
I like this idea! I'm going to try to work on convincing more folks at MU that they should be biking and this would help with that!

Also, the bike lanes on Military Road when you get around Old north glebe road are abysmal. Potholes, paint completely rubbed off. This seems bad as it's the best (only?) bike lane connection in that area to connect to Chain Bridge which is "nicely" connected with both the C&O and the Capital Crescent Trail.
What I would like to see Arlington do is give streets with bike lanes or sharrows and designated bike route streets priority in the 2014 repaving plan. Some examples are Military, Williamsburg, 16th St N (from George Mason to Patrick Henry), 13th St N, and Key Blvd. Also, the repaving needs to be of a higher quality than what we got on several recently (Nelly Custis, Patrick Henry, and Fairfax in EFC are examples). There should be no paving seam in the middle of the bike lane because that creates a potential fall issue if you let your attention lapse. Those seams also deteriorate faster than the rest of the asphalt.

dasgeh
01-13-2014, 09:01 AM
Fix the bike lane on Quincy, north-bound after the crossing with Washington Blvd. For 200 yards the bike lane is discontinued, and then interrupted by 3 parking spots. This forces bicyclist into motor traffic that is accelerating after making the crossing with Washington.

There are sharrows on the road but it's unsafe.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=N+Wakefield+and+N+Fairfax+Dr+&hl=en&ll=38.886057,-77.108007&spn=0.010105,0.021136&sll=38.897458,-77.099434&sspn=0.010103,0.021136&hnear=Fairfax+Dr+%26+N+Wakefield+St,+Arlington,+Vi rginia+22203&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.886057,-77.108007&panoid=ehDCe5VUQpbBChaKQ5cptw&cbp=12,0,,0,0

I love this idea, and think we should put it on the list, but I think it will take a little more political will and a loss of parking spaces to make it happen. I know that folks from W-L would be supportive. Maybe an ABAC letter that we can try to get APS's SRTS to sign onto ?

Also on Quincy on the bridge just north of W-L, in the northbound bike lanes, there's a grate in the bike lane. There's plenty of space, so the lane could just be restriped to avoid the grate.



What I would like to see Arlington do is give streets with bike lanes or sharrows and designated bike route streets priority in the 2014 repaving plan. Some examples are Military, Williamsburg, 16th St N (from George Mason to Patrick Henry), 13th St N, and Key Blvd. Also, the repaving needs to be of a higher quality than what we got on several recently (Nelly Custis, Patrick Henry, and Fairfax in EFC are examples). There should be no paving seem in the middle of the bike lane because that creates a potential fall issue if you let your attention lapse. Those seems also deteriorate faster than the rest of the asphalt.

Love this idea. I think it's beyond the scope of this fixes list, but would support an ABAC letter to this effect.

PotomacCyclist
01-22-2014, 03:17 PM
Smooth out the transition between trail and bridge at a couple different locations. There is a slight break where the trail ends and the bridge begins. It would only require a small amount of asphalt to smooth over these transitions, instead of having a speed bump that can cause tire damage.

MVT bridge over the GW Parkway on-ramp, next to Reagan National Airport

http://goo.gl/maps/Kw7pX



Ramp between 14th St. Bridge (George Mason) and the MVT

http://goo.gl/maps/bDfcP


If NPS has control over these sections, maybe the County and the ABAC can coordinate with NPS to get these easy fixes done.

Arlingtonrider
01-22-2014, 05:00 PM
There's another one on FMR trail near the I-395 underpass as well. They fix it from time to time, but every couple of years it starts separating again. It's about time for another smoothing out there as well.

PotomacCyclist
03-12-2014, 02:12 AM
Better signage and/or street map for cyclists (and pedestrians) along the trails and side streets between S. Courthouse Rd. and Clarendon.

There is supposed to be a new trail this year along Washington Blvd., from Towers Park-Columbia Pike to the intersection of Washington Blvd. and S. Courthouse Rd.

From that point, there are existing trails that head off in two directions, bearing NW and N. The NW trail runs almost to the intersection of N. Fillmore and 3rd St. N. It's possible to continue north toward Clarendon on side streets, but it can be confusing.

The N trail will connect to the new trails/sidewalks that are a part of the 10th St./Rte. 50/Courthouse Rd. interchange VDOT project (scheduled to be completed this summer).

These routes are useful for cyclists traveling between Pentagon City and Clarendon, and Pentagon City and Court House, except that it's very easy to get lost on the winding trails and side streets. I get turned around almost every time I ride through there (which isn't that often). I end up riding half a mile in the wrong direction. Sometimes I give up on the trip because the unplanned detours cause me to miss an event.

When the existing Washington Blvd. trail passes Arlington Blvd. (when traveling north), it follows a loop, turning left, then a U-turn, then a bend to the left. There are no signs anywhere indicating destinations such as Court House, Columbia Pike, Pentagon City or Clarendon. Such signs would be helpful. There wouldn't need to be that many signs. Just enough to keep cyclists from turning around and heading in the wrong direction at that confluence of trails and side streets.

https://goo.gl/maps/YRnTv

PotomacCyclist
03-12-2014, 12:40 PM
Better signage and/or street map for cyclists (and pedestrians) along the trails and side streets between S. Courthouse Rd. and Clarendon.

There is supposed to be a new trail this year along Washington Blvd., from Towers Park-Columbia Pike to the intersection of Washington Blvd. and S. Courthouse Rd.

From that point, there are existing trails that head off in two directions, bearing NW and N. The NW trail runs almost to the intersection of N. Fillmore and 3rd St. N. It's possible to continue north toward Clarendon on side streets, but it can be confusing.

The N trail will connect to the new trails/sidewalks that are a part of the 10th St./Rte. 50/Courthouse Rd. interchange VDOT project (scheduled to be completed this summer).

These routes are useful for cyclists traveling between Pentagon City and Clarendon, and Pentagon City and Court House, except that it's very easy to get lost on the winding trails and side streets. I get turned around almost every time I ride through there (which isn't that often). I end up riding half a mile in the wrong direction. Sometimes I give up on the trip because the unplanned detours cause me to miss an event.

When the existing Washington Blvd. trail passes Arlington Blvd. (when traveling north), it follows a loop, turning left, then a U-turn, then a bend to the left. There are no signs anywhere indicating destinations such as Court House, Columbia Pike, Pentagon City or Clarendon. Such signs would be helpful. There wouldn't need to be that many signs. Just enough to keep cyclists from turning around and heading in the wrong direction at that confluence of trails and side streets.

https://goo.gl/maps/YRnTv

It would also be helpful to designate some of the side streets between the Fillmore Park trail and Clarendon as a bike route and add appropriate signs. Car traffic is light on most of those streets. It's difficult to find the trail when riding south from Clarendon.

dasgeh
03-12-2014, 12:47 PM
It would also be helpful to designate some of the side streets between the Fillmore Park trail and Clarendon as a bike route and add appropriate signs. Car traffic is light on most of those streets. It's difficult to find the trail when riding south from Clarendon.

That's why I call it the secret trail! But yes, I agree it should be easier to find.

PotomacCyclist
04-08-2014, 12:45 AM
Smooth out the transition between trail and bridge at a couple different locations. There is a slight break where the trail ends and the bridge begins. It would only require a small amount of asphalt to smooth over these transitions, instead of having a speed bump that can cause tire damage.

MVT bridge over the GW Parkway on-ramp, next to Reagan National Airport

http://goo.gl/maps/Kw7pX



Ramp between 14th St. Bridge (George Mason) and the MVT

http://goo.gl/maps/bDfcP


If NPS has control over these sections, maybe the County and the ABAC can coordinate with NPS to get these easy fixes done.

The MVT bridge over the GW Parkway on-ramp also has a long mini-ditch in the asphalt, in the southbound bike lane. The ditch runs in the direction of bike traffic, not perpendicular. This can be a problem if you happen to get a tire caught in that crease. I believe the problem has been there for at least a few years. Maybe longer. It really should be fixed.

http://goo.gl/maps/ePkua

[It's possible that I have pinpointed the wrong location. Google Maps doesn't have Street View for bike trails, yet, so I can't verify the location of the mini-ditch. Can anyone confirm the location?]

[UPDATE - Problem fixed for the most part. An asphalt patch has been added to the mini-ditch and another large crack in the trail next to it. The patches aren't that smooth, but it's a big improvement over the past condition of the surface.]

cyclingfool
04-08-2014, 06:15 AM
Potomac, you got the location just right. As you said, it's in the southbound lane, just before the transition to the concrete surface of the trail's overpass. I've been bike commuting for five years and this is a part of my route almost every day, and that problem's been there that whole time.

PotomacCyclist
04-18-2014, 08:27 PM
Ask and you shall receive. Just ten days after posting about the mini-ditch on the MVT overpass, I rode there today. Someone filled in most of the ditch and another smaller seam on the side of the trail with asphalt! It's not exactly the greatest repair job in the world. The patch isn't smooth or flat, but I think it's an improvement over having the ditch.

Was this NPS? I have to think so, since they control the MVT.

cyclingfool
04-19-2014, 12:55 AM
Yeah. I noticed that the other day. It was in the back of my head that I needed to hop back on this thread and update, but I guess you got it covered. :-)

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PotomacCyclist
04-19-2014, 01:26 AM
Was there an Arlington BAC meeting this week? How did NPS pick up on this so quickly? Not that I'm complaining. Maybe they are reading this thread? Thanks to whoever carried out the repair.

consularrider
04-21-2014, 08:46 AM
I'd hardly call it quickly, that crack and ditch had been there for five years (but getting worse) and has previously been called to NPS attention. NPS fixed a similar crack on the south end of the last overpass about two years ago, but didn't do anything with the north one. Sigh.

PotomacCyclist
04-22-2014, 04:30 AM
I meant that it was odd that the repair (which appears to be temporary) happened soon after posting about it on this thread.

It reminded me of a problem on the Capital Crescent Trail five years ago. I had bought a bike for the first time as an adult that summer. I was riding a bit too fast on a downhill section of the trail. (I was a bike newbie.) I could see that there were no other people on the trail because it was a long straightaway. Then I hit a series of bumps on the asphalt. I started bouncing off the surface and veering toward the right. I was headed toward a drop-off, heavily wooded with some fallen trees. I panicked and slammed on the brakes. That caused me to do a header, over the bike and onto the grass, fortunately. I was lucky that I didn't land on the asphalt. I cut my brow, bruised my cheek and smacked the back of my shoulder pretty hard. But somehow, the top of my head never touched the grass. (The back of my shirt was covered in dirt but my helmet didn't have even a speck of dirt.)

That evening, I contacted the Friends of the CCT, who contacted NPS. I may have contacted NPS as well. I described my accident and noted that someone could very easily get killed there. There was a dirt track off to the side of the trail at that point, from all of the cyclists who had been avoiding those bumps and riding onto the grass.

I also posted about it here. People said that the bumps had been a problem for years. As I walked back to the bike, I could see faded fluorescent paint marking the bumps, so someone at NPS must have known about it. I didn't ride on the CCT again that summer, but I read that a week or two later, NPS fixed all of the bumps in that area as well as several others nearby.

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Back to the MVT: Yesterday, I saw that a larger section had been marked off in paint, around all of the cracks and the ditch. It doesn't mark the ditch itself, but it does mark the boundary around the entire damaged section. I'm hoping that this means NPS is planning to repave that section of the trail soon. (Or is that just wishful thinking?) It won't be a major operation. The section is only a few feet in length.

[I know this thread is about minor fixes, but I have to say that I really wish NPS would widen the MVT, especially between the CC Connector and the 14th St. bridges. There are plans to separate bike and pedestrian traffic at Gravelly Point, but that won't cover all of the narrow sections, and there doesn't seem to be much progress on that project.]

chris_s
04-22-2014, 09:04 AM
[I know this thread is about minor fixes, but I have to say that I really wish NPS would widen the MVT, especially between the CC Connector and the 14th St. bridges. There are plans to separate bike and pedestrian traffic at Gravelly Point, but that won't cover all of the narrow sections, and there doesn't seem to be much progress on that project.]

But, but....they have a STANDARD. (anyone who was at the last Arlington BAC meeting is likely rolling their eyes right now)

elbows
05-21-2014, 04:00 PM
At the intersection of Irving and 50, indicate that a bicyclist must be the size of a car to trigger the light to change. I can press the pedestrian button, but I don't require that much time and it's kind of a slap in the face. I'd rather work on becoming the size of a car so I am important enough for the light to change for me.

At the intersection of G Mason and 50, there is a sign that says something to the effect that one should turn left to take the bicycle route to Memorial Bridge. That's a heck of a way to get to Memorial Bridge on a bicycle.

Remove some of the bollards on the path along 50. Some of them seem uneccessary and they can be somewhat dangerous.

chris_s
05-22-2014, 02:28 PM
At the intersection of Irving and 50, indicate that a bicyclist must be the size of a car to trigger the light to change. I can press the pedestrian button, but I don't require that much time and it's kind of a slap in the face. I'd rather work on becoming the size of a car so I am important enough for the light to change for me.

It just so happens there is a project in the works to upgrade that signal, so I inquired with the Project Manager. Here is the disappointing-ish response:

The project does include plans to upgrade the signal, but bicycle detection was not part of the upgrades.

From what I was told today, it would not be a difficult thing to add. However, since the signal design has already been completed, we will have to look at in more detail. So I need to do more leg work on this end before I can give you a definitive answer.

When I hear back more, I'll post it.

dasgeh
05-22-2014, 03:05 PM
It just so happens there is a project in the works to upgrade that signal, so I inquired with the Project Manager. Here is the disappointing-ish response:

The project does include plans to upgrade the signal, but bicycle detection was not part of the upgrades.

From what I was told today, it would not be a difficult thing to add. However, since the signal design has already been completed, we will have to look at in more detail. So I need to do more leg work on this end before I can give you a definitive answer.

When I hear back more, I'll post it.

Let me know if you'd like more voices supporting this effort. On a cargo bike, this is one of not-very-many safe connections between North and South Arlington.

PS. Why would Arlington EVER put in signals without bicycle detection? There are very few intersections that bikes don't go through at some point.

chris_s
05-22-2014, 03:11 PM
PS. Why would Arlington EVER put in signals without bicycle detection? There are very few intersections that bikes don't go through at some point.

That's the part of his response that disappoints me.

Hmmm...maybe Arlington should have a POLICY about Traffic Signals that lays out stuff like this. No policy = we're at the mercy of whatever staff person is making decisions.

Also Irving across 50 is a marked bike route on the Arlington Bike Map, which makes it even more craptacular.

VikingMariner
05-22-2014, 03:13 PM
I'm okay with no bike detection. Gives me time to check my grocery list, look at attractive women (is being interested in women sexist?), look at the clouds for patterns, heck and maybe even enjoying the day. So what if I lose 60 seconds of my life to the County. I'm generous like that. :0)

Now a bridge over or a tunnel under the Intersection of Doom? That would be the good fight.

Arlingtonrider
05-22-2014, 05:25 PM
This reminds me - an additional curb cut is needed on the southwest corner of the intersection of South Glebe and Jefferson Davis Hwy for those crossing Jeff Davis. Right now there's only a curb cut designed to help the crossing S. Glebe. The awkwardness of that has become very noticeable lately with the trail detour.

chris_s
05-22-2014, 10:15 PM
This reminds me - an additional curb cut is needed on the southwest corner of the intersection of South Glebe and Jefferson Davis Hwy for those crossing Jeff Davis. Right now there's only a curb cut designed to help the crossing S. Glebe. The awkwardness of that has become very noticeable lately with the trail detour.

Here? (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.842415,-77.0527,3a,75y,298.66h,68.32t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s5Zl_BI5IJOIwnF09uQGztA!2e0)

consularrider
05-23-2014, 07:55 AM
Since I don't use that version of the detour heading east, I just use the Porsche dealer driveway entrance when heading west. Of couse that means dealing with car trying to get out of the parking lot at times, but at least they see you which is less likely if you are on the sidewalk there.

bobco85
05-23-2014, 08:02 AM
Since I don't use that version of the detour heading east, I just use the Porsche dealer driveway entrance when heading west. Of couse that means dealing with car trying to get out of the parking lot at times, but at least they see you which is less likely if you are on the sidewalk there.

I do the same when heading west. The curb cut is so poorly placed at the corner that in order to navigate onto the sidewalk, you have to almost salmon against the flow of right turning cars, an uncomfortable and dangerous choice since they likely are almost on top of the crosswalk at that point (perish the thought they would leave any room in front of them). I have found turning onto the street and using the driveway to be a much better option.

Arlingtonrider
05-23-2014, 10:07 AM
I take the street there sometimes too, but was also thinking about peds with strollers, people in wheelchairs, etc.

dasgeh
05-23-2014, 10:07 AM
This reminds me - an additional curb cut is needed on the southwest corner of the intersection of South Glebe and Jefferson Davis Hwy for those crossing Jeff Davis. Right now there's only a curb cut designed to help the crossing S. Glebe. The awkwardness of that has become very noticeable lately with the trail detour.

Have you reported that to the powers that be in ArlCo (one of the Daves)?

brendan
05-23-2014, 12:15 PM
I keep thinking this thread is about Fixies in Arlington. First IPAs, then Beards, now Fixies? Come summer, they'll be nary a brown flip-flop in sight!

B

dcv
05-23-2014, 05:57 PM
I keep thinking this thread is about Fixies in Arlington. First IPAs, then Beards, now Fixies? Come summer, they'll be nary a brown flip-flop in sight!

B

Seriously, Tim can you please rename this thread "Infrastructure repairs in Arlington"

elbows
05-30-2014, 09:55 AM
I'm okay with no bike detection. Gives me time to check my grocery list, look at attractive women (is being interested in women sexist?), look at the clouds for patterns, heck and maybe even enjoying the day. So what if I lose 60 seconds of my life to the County. I'm generous like that. :0)

Now a bridge over or a tunnel under the Intersection of Doom? That would be the good fight.

As a note, it can be a lot more than 60 seconds. At Irving and 50, as an experiment, I sat there like a law-abiding cyclist fool, and it was over 5 minutes before a vehicle showed up and the light changed.

elbows
05-30-2014, 10:03 AM
While I'm pointing out lights that I think are not triggered by cyclists, here is another. Heading east on Columbia Pike at the Sheraton, there is a new light with a left turn arrow. It does not seem like the left arrow is triggered by cyclists.

Personally, that light has made my commute on the Pike even less pleasant. I guess it was necessary for others.

consularrider
05-30-2014, 10:51 AM
As a note, it can be a lot more than 60 seconds. At Irving and 50, as an experiment, I sat there like a law-abiding cyclist fool, and it was over 5 minutes before a vehicle showed up and the light changed.
Since you say experiment, does that mean you didn't push the [poorly located] pedestrian light button? Also, that's an intersection where the Virginia law allowing you to cross against the light after you have waited two minutes won't help since there is almost never a big enough gap in the traffic on Rte 50 to safely cross without the light.

dcv
05-30-2014, 11:02 AM
Thanks Tim

sjclaeys
05-30-2014, 12:22 PM
Seriously, Tim can you please rename this thread "Infrastructure repairs in Arlington"

Wait, now where to I go for fixies in Arlington?

consularrider
05-30-2014, 12:45 PM
Ask dcv or 1/8. ;)

elbows
06-03-2014, 11:48 AM
Since you say experiment, does that mean you didn't push the [poorly located] pedestrian light button? Also, that's an intersection where the Virginia law allowing you to cross against the light after you have waited two minutes won't help since there is almost never a big enough gap in the traffic on Rte 50 to safely cross without the light.

That is correct. I did not push the poorly located button. I was very dedicated to my experiment.

Steve O
06-04-2014, 11:38 AM
I was hoping that once the construction at the intersection of Columbia Pike on the W&OD was completed, that the County would also include a bike traffic signal (I even suggested this to staff). Here's a quick quiz to demonstrate the problem.


For eastbound cyclists, who cannot see the traffic signal for Four Mile Run:

1. If the walk signal shows a white pedestrian, what color is the traffic signal?
A) Green
B) Yellow
C) Red

2. If the walk signal shows a blinking orange hand, what color is the traffic signal?
A) Green
B) Yellow
C) Red


3. If the walk signal shows a steady orange hand, what color is the traffic signal?
A) Green
B) Yellow
C) Red

Answers:
1. A) Green

2. A) Green or B) Yellow

3. D) No frickin' clue (trick answer!)
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If I am approaching this intersection from the west, I can try to deduce what is happening at the intersection by watching the cars, but if the cars on Four Mile Run are moving, I have no idea if the light is green or yellow or how much time I may have. Just this week I reached this intersection traveling westbound and stopped for the light. A cyclist was waiting to come the other way. When the light changed to green, the walk signal stayed in "Don't Walk" mode. I have seen cyclists who are unfamiliar with this intersection get flummoxed by that and not know what to do. They see the bikers crossing toward them but are simultaneously confronted with a "Don't Walk" signal. What should they do?
In one case I watched the flummoxed cyclists wait and finally start across, but by the time they did so the light had changed to yellow. If they had waited just 2 more seconds, they would have started crossing as the Columbia Pike traffic got the green, creating a dangerous situation.

The easy solution is to install a bike traffic signal like the ones on the Rosslyn luge.

Subby
06-04-2014, 12:03 PM
At the very least, the ped and bike traffic should ALWAYS get a walk signal when Columbia Pike gets a red there. I might get a walk signal on red there every other time through.

dasgeh
06-04-2014, 12:15 PM
At the very least, the ped and bike traffic should ALWAYS get a walk signal when Columbia Pike gets a red there. I might get a walk signal on red there every other time through.

Wait, so it's really only button activated? I don't go through there often and didn't realize this. That's a horrible situation for cargo bikes -- the buttons are not easy to get to. Let me know if you need pictures to demonstrate why this is a bad idea.

Subby
06-04-2014, 12:26 PM
It's a terrible situation because you have traffic turning right off of 4MR Dr. on to Columbia Pike (they have a green) and it is hard to tell how much time you have to cross. I don't even know where the button is for westbound crossings.

dasgeh
06-04-2014, 12:39 PM
It's a terrible situation because you have traffic turning right off of 4MR Dr. on to Columbia Pike (they have a green) and it is hard to tell how much time you have to cross. I don't even know where the button is for westbound crossings.

It's WAY over to your left -- not at all where it should be.

Amalitza
06-04-2014, 12:42 PM
Wait, so it's really only button activated? .

My theory is there's a guy hidden somewhere watching the intersection, arbitrarily deciding who gets to go and who doesn't, soup-nazi style.

"No Walk Signal For You"!!

mstone
06-04-2014, 05:47 PM
If pedestrians got a walk on every cycle that would reduce the vehicle LOS and we can't have that. Metrics, you know.

PotomacCyclist
06-04-2014, 07:42 PM
Wait, so it's really only button activated? I don't go through there often and didn't realize this. That's a horrible situation for cargo bikes -- the buttons are not easy to get to. Let me know if you need pictures to demonstrate why this is a bad idea.

It's a bad idea at many other intersections too. There are other intersections in Arlington (Pentagon City/Crystal City) where the WALK signal is only activated if someone presses the button. I've found this to be hazardous for pedestrians. Pedestrians might assume that they can walk through the crosswalk when the light turns green in their direction. But car drivers who are turning, left or right, through that crosswalk sometimes get frustrated and ticked off at pedestrians who have waited for the light, but didn't receive a WALK sign. I had one driver try to force me out of the crosswalk as I was walking through it. I've seen the same happen to others walking in crosswalks in these situations.

I brought this up at one of the County-sponsored bike lane meetings. I was told that the signals people in Arlington do not want to slow down cars at those intersections. I'm not sure why WALK signals would slow down cars. Maybe the green light lasts longer if the WALK signal is on, because there is a minimum time for WALK signals to remain on?

What about some sort of sensor in the sidewalk that would detect pedestrians? Maybe this would be too expensive to add to every intersection, but what about at key intersections on busy roads? That could cut down on the cost and allow the County signal engineers to keep the WALK signals off most of the time. But it would activate the WALK signal when the sensor detects a pedestrian waiting to cross.

Steve O
06-04-2014, 10:44 PM
Wait, so it's really only button activated? I don't go through there often and didn't realize this. That's a horrible situation for cargo bikes -- the buttons are not easy to get to. Let me know if you need pictures to demonstrate why this is a bad idea.

Even if the buttons were located perfectly, it's still bad. If I get to the light just as it's turning green or just after, then I would have to wait through the entire light cycle even though there is ample time for a bicycle to cross (unless I choose to cross on the "Don't Walk"). The much, much better solution is to install a bike traffic signal, which removes any ambiguity. It also serves to alert drivers that cyclists will be crossing at the same time they may be turning.

consularrider
06-05-2014, 09:45 AM
... I brought this up at one of the County-sponsored bike lane meetings. I was told that the signals people in Arlington do not want to slow down cars at those intersections. I'm not sure why WALK signals would slow down cars. Maybe the green light lasts longer if the WALK signal is on, because there is a minimum time for WALK signals to remain on?...
This was what was explained in a post about three years ago. There are many, many lights in Arlington where if there is only one car to trip a light, the green only lasts about 10 seconds. If you press the walk demand button, that makes it last at least 30 seconds. Oh those poor suffering drivers.

chris_s
06-05-2014, 10:52 AM
I'm in the early stages of pushing Arlington to actually have a traffic signals policy. Right now, there really isn't one, which makes it hard to effectively say "hey, you're doing it wrong". I am gathering a list of intersections with many bikes & peds where you still have to hit the button to get a walk signal. Please email me / private message me intersections where this is the case. Same with bike-heavy intersections that do not detect bikes, especially if they have bike lanes.

consularrider
06-05-2014, 02:06 PM
I assume you won't mind if we send you information you already know?

dasgeh
06-05-2014, 02:07 PM
I'm in the early stages of pushing Arlington to actually have a traffic signals policy. Right now, there really isn't one, which makes it hard to effectively say "hey, you're doing it wrong". I am gathering a list of intersections with many bikes & peds where you still have to hit the button to get a walk signal. Please email me / private message me intersections where this is the case. Same with bike-heavy intersections that do not detect bikes, especially if they have bike lanes.
N Pollard at Lee Hwy doesn't get auto-WALK. There are some great shops on either side of Lee there, and we're seeing increasing ped traffic. It's also used as an alternative to 5-Points (Lee, Old Lee, Old Dominion, Quincy and Military) because 5 Points is HORRID for peds.

I'll check 5-points for you, though it's not currently used by as many peds.

A related issue: wide, bike-heavy intersections with inadequate yellow phases. The one I'm thinking of in particular is Veitch at Lee Hwy -- there isn't enough time for a bike to go through the intersection and turn onto the trail during the yellow phase -- I've been caught in the intersection slowing for the tight turn as Lee Hwy got green. Very dangerous. Now that I think of it, I don't think that intersection has auto-WALK, either.

consularrider
06-06-2014, 10:06 AM
Two items.

The first is related to dasgeh's post above about the Veitch/Lee Highway yellow issue. Riding eastbound through that intersection this morning I noticed that the signal for vehicle traffic turned yellow while the pedestrian countdown signal was at 5 and the red came on while the pedestrian light still read "1." I am familiar with at least two other lights in Arlington with this issue, the pedestrian light on N Ft Myer Dr for crossing Wilson Blvd in Rosslyn and the pedestrian light at 4MR Dr/W&OD crossing George Mason Dr. My personal belief is that having the pedestrian signal still counting down while the vehicle light turns yellow/red is very dangerous, particularly where the lights are inconsistent. All the lights in the county should be set to have the same type of display.

Second, Custis Trail repaving. Is there any update on the status? I noticed this week that there are now orange arrows on two small sections that make me believe they will be repaved. There is the section along the St Ann parking lot near the .5 mile post and the other from the 11th St N access to the first N Abingdon St access (one of the mogul sections).

chris_s
06-06-2014, 10:29 AM
I assume you won't mind if we send you information you already know?

Not at all, please err on the side of providing information!

chris_s
06-06-2014, 10:32 AM
My personal belief is that having the pedestrian signal still counting down while the vehicle light turns yellow/red is very dangerous, particularly where the lights are inconsistent. All the lights in the county should be set to have the same type of display.

What do you find dangerous about it? Presumably traffic crossing the peds does not get a green until after the countdown has hit zero. I believe this generally happens on wide intersections which have a longer all-red phase than normal to help ensure that the intersection has cleared before the green signal is given to the other direction.

dasgeh
06-06-2014, 10:49 AM
What do you find dangerous about it? Presumably traffic crossing the peds does not get a green until after the countdown has hit zero. I believe this generally happens on wide intersections which have a longer all-red phase than normal to help ensure that the intersection has cleared before the green signal is given to the other direction.

I think it's inconsistency that's dangerous. There are other wide intersections where peds get 0 when cars get yellow. As a ped/cyclist, you notice these little things, and often rely on them. Not as much of an issue when you can see the traffic light, but there are plenty of signals in Arlington where peds can't see the traffic light, so a consistent policy is important.

dasgeh
06-06-2014, 10:51 AM
Second, Custis Trail repaving. Is there any update on the status? I noticed this week that there are now orange arrows on two small sections that make me believe they will be repaved. There is the section along the St Ann parking lot near the .5 mile post and the other from the 11th St N access to the first N Abingdon St access (one of the mogul sections).

NO! I'm fairly certain most of the requests were for repaving East of there, between the top of Rosslyn hill and Spout Run (or at least bridge to nowhere).

Oh the topic of the Bridge to Nowhere moguls, yesterday, it seemed to me like they were multiplying. Was I seeing things or is Spring in the air? Does this portend some structural problem?

consularrider
06-06-2014, 01:09 PM
I think it's inconsistency that's dangerous. There are other wide intersections where peds get 0 when cars get yellow. As a ped/cyclist, you notice these little things, and often rely on them. Not as much of an issue when you can see the traffic light, but there are plenty of signals in Arlington where peds can't see the traffic light, so a consistent policy is important.What she said. Also, at the George Mason/W&OD/4MR Dr intersection, others have reported seeing the light for vehicles on George Mason turn green while there the pedestrian light was still count the last couple numbers. I've never seen that myself.

consularrider
06-06-2014, 01:13 PM
NO! I'm fairly certain most of the requests were for repaving East of there, between the top of Rosslyn hill and Spout Run (or at least bridge to nowhere).

Oh the topic of the Bridge to Nowhere moguls, yesterday, it seemed to me like they were multiplying. Was I seeing things or is Spring in the air? Does this portend some structural problem?

I think there has been a general agitation here to get the "original" mogul section of the Custis(11th to Abingdon) repaved for a couple of years.

That last mogul dip as you head east from the Bridge to Nowhere does seem to be getting deeper. Now it is accumulating sand. Maybe it's a plot to turn the Custis into a world class golf course, after all, they did drill the coring holes further west.

elbows
06-30-2014, 10:26 AM
Last night while riding on Fillmore north across Lorcom, I suspected after a while of waiting that the light had no bike-sensor. I meandered over and pressed the pedestrian signal and waited a while longer. Eventually, a car arrived and the light changed, but the pedestrian signal never changed, not of consequence to me but worth mentioning, I thought. I believe that this is a marked bicycle route.

If Arlington has lights that do not sense cyclists, perhaps at the least, they should have signage indicating so, particularly on bike routes.

DismalScientist
06-30-2014, 12:46 PM
There's a camera facing down Four Mile Run Dr. at the infamous corner of Glebe and Glebe (that would be the Arlington Glebe and Alexandria Glebe) that presumably controls whether 4MR gets a green. It would be nice if it were calibrated for bicycles.