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rcannon100
12-04-2012, 01:36 PM
Freezing Saddles: Winter Bike Challenge
Never Give an ELITE Cyclist an Even Break


Official Frozen Scoreboard (http://www.cs.umd.edu/~ronwalf/2013/freezing-saddles/)

NOTE: Excluded activities: If you post an activity to Strava during the competition period which is not an outdoor bike ride, then it should have the string "#NoBAFS" in the activity name.

Freezing Saddles! The Epic Adventure of a band of ELITE Cyclists, facing the challenges of the wild wild wild bike paths. Confronting the darkest of evenings, the coldest of mornings, and the stupidest of Ninjas - these brave cyclists challenge each other because, if they didnt, they might have to actually do some work during the day.

The saga runs January 1 until the last day of Winter, March 20. It will conclude with a March Madness Playoff that someone will probably design. There will be a Happy Hour at the end with many pointless trophies.

Tribes (teams):

Composed of ~5 riders or less
For riders from the #bikedc, Washington DC Bike Forum general community (Washington DC greater metropolitan area)
Volunteer Captains (captains will address any data problems, negotiate or cause confusion, and provide motivational seminars);
This is a ten-gallon hat tournament. Riders will be randomly assigned to tribes based on self declared average weekly mileage and days cycled. Tribes will be created so that each tribes's average weekly point score is roughly equal to everyone else's. To achieve this, tribes may be composed of differing numbers of riders.
No late sign ups.
Interested cyclists must sign up by December 25 Midnight - Tribes will be announced within a couple days.


Scoring: Riders will receive 10 points for each day and 1 point for each mile ridden. Minimum ride is 1 mile. The tribe's score will be the sum of the tribe members (indoor trainers do not count- you must be freezing in the saddle outside).

Backend: STRAVA (please sign up for an account, and join the "Bike Arlington" club on STRAVA - you should be able to enter data manually or automatically. Additional information will be posted here on the forum.)

This is a self organized group activity based on consensus. No one is in charge or running this thing. Participation is voluntary and entirely at your own risk.


Be Brave. Be Bold. Be.... questful! In the words of Hedley Lamarr:

Men, you are about to embark on a great crusade to stamp out runaway decency on the bike paths. Now you men will only be risking your lives, whilst I will be risking an almost certain Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actor.

Here are the teams with the new subs

Team one
http://app.strava.com/athletes/126281
Matthew Whatley
Shawn Dread
443749
John Fisher - 608636

Team Two
Pete DeNitto - 768183
Steve Appel
James Hoofnagle
Jason Kyzer
Mega Beth - http://app.strava.com/athletes/136523
Joe Birkenstock - 1154396

Team Three
Trish Newberg
randy napiza 313677
Mark Blacknell
essigmw
obenlandk@gmail.com - http://www.strava.com/athletes/1564295

Team Four
EKR
Kel Moore
Chris Shue
Crystal Bae
Elizabeth MacGregor

Team Five
http://app.strava.com/athletes/benbhsu
307483 (Mark Williams)
Christopher Niebylski
vvill
Kevin Ulrich - http://www.strava.com/athletes/kevin_ulrich

Team Six
Arlingtonrider
sjclaeys
ejwillis@yahoo.com
http://app.strava.com/athletes/302448
feomike@gmail.com - http://www.strava.com/athletes/feomike

Team Seven
Henning Schulzrinne
klizotte
Brad Hancock
Ron Alford
Chris Randall

Team Eight
Ken Buja (1224809)
Kevin Williams, Strava # 580756, BA "GuyContinental"
Lena Varuolo
Hans Lellelid

Team Nine
Steve O
jopamora
Justin Antos (Strava 1473093)
http://app.strava.com/athletes/488016

Team Ten
certifried
strava name Karen Smith (forum poster acl)
Cyndi Janetzko
Rod Smith

Team Eleven (Freezing Saddles Team Mongo (11) (http://app.strava.com/clubs/20337) on Strava)
Greg Ba
cptjohnc
rcannon100
mdevoll
Sarah Dots
Sean Chisham

Team Twelve
Calpike
BonzaiBuckaroo
Daniel Alexander
ochsendorf@gmail.com

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8199/8245695055_9cd30ef6b8_c.jpg

rcannon100
12-04-2012, 01:45 PM
Shawn of the Dread wins the first pointless prize for being first to register!

DismalScientist
12-04-2012, 02:00 PM
Thwarted by the corporate firewall. I'll take evasive action.

Mikey
12-04-2012, 02:41 PM
I opted out of being a captain. I will probably participate every day, but I am not a Strava expert, and I will only be entering data manually, so I figured I would leave the team captaining to someone who could actually answer a question or solve a problem.

rcannon100
12-04-2012, 02:52 PM
I thought this was YOUR IDEA! ;) Actually that makes sense. Kinda in the same boat. Now its Ronwalf's turn to shine.

vvill
12-04-2012, 02:56 PM
Thanks for doing this. Signed up.

Can we pleeeeeeeze correct these two things though.

Freezing Saddles: Winter Bike Challenge
Never Give an ELITE Cyclists an Even Break

the stupidest of Ninja's

:rolleyes:

ShawnoftheDread
12-04-2012, 03:03 PM
Thanks for doing this. Signed up.

Can we pleeeeeeeze correct these two things though.


:rolleyes:

Thanks. My editor's eye was getting twitchy.

GuyContinental
12-04-2012, 03:19 PM
Maybe I should have mentioned this earlier- but every Strava Athlete has a "Athlete Number" that is used for tracking purposes- Ron might need that for development. To find your Strava ID go to profile and look at the URL:

http://app.strava.com/athletes/580756

In my case, my ID is 580756

ronwalf
12-04-2012, 03:33 PM
Maybe I should have mentioned this earlier- but every Strava Athlete has a "Athlete Number" that is used for tracking purposes- Ron might need that for development.

My current plan is to manage it via the club interface. We'll create a new club for each team (FreezingSaddles A-???), and participants will join their assigned club.

Mikey
12-04-2012, 03:37 PM
Mine is Michael Essig 1404871.

Certifried
12-04-2012, 04:03 PM
http://app.strava.com/athletes/580874

I think strava.com/certifried also works

rcannon100
12-04-2012, 04:09 PM
Thanks for doing this. Signed up.

Can we pleeeeeeeze correct these two things though.


:rolleyes:

As my son would say... "Grammar nazis!" :-) You know, I can NEVER proof read my own stuff

KelOnWheels
12-04-2012, 04:44 PM
http://app.strava.com/athletes/645556 :)

2460-waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaooooooooooonnnnnnnn ne!

rnapiza
12-04-2012, 06:44 PM
I'm not a commuter…..yet, so my mileage will vary.
Should be fun :)

vvill
12-04-2012, 09:20 PM
For the Strava newbies, there is an existing BikeArlington club if you wish to join:
http://app.strava.com/clubs/bikearlington

It might also make things easier for ronwalf.


As my son would say... "Grammar nazis!" :-) You know, I can NEVER proof read my own stuff

Or maybe "Grammar nazi's!"? :)

rcannon100
12-04-2012, 09:33 PM
Yes you need to join the Bike Arlington club.

Gonna start using bad gramma just to annoy vvill :-)

We are up to 21 registrations - mostly the usual suspects - based on initial returns, looks like this horse will trot.

Mikey
12-04-2012, 10:02 PM
We need 24 to 40 riders to make 6-8 teams. It would make a nice end of season tournament with 6-8 teams.

TwoWheelsDC
12-05-2012, 01:09 AM
Okay, I pulled out the big guns (PS Elements and my Wacom, not a real gun) and redid the poster. I probably could've spent days on this thing and made it much better, but at least this is (hopefully) better than v1.0.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8199/8245695055_9cd30ef6b8_c.jpg

Steve
12-05-2012, 07:34 AM
Steve Appel - http://app.strava.com/athletes/1411897

Now I'm nervous.

culimerc
12-05-2012, 09:19 AM
Ok I'm in.
http://app.strava.com/athletes/353903

I did about 90-100 miles a week in Nov.
last Jan and Feb I did 255 and 279 respectively.

until now I hadnt been logging all my rides on strava, just the "training" rides.

Bilsko
12-05-2012, 09:35 AM
If nothing else, this thread has given me about 5 new people to follow on Strava - WooHoo!!

http://app.strava.com/athletes/784659

Certifried
12-05-2012, 09:54 AM
I snagged up a lovely Kurt Kinetic trainer for $125 off CL. Hooked up my Garmin last night and played around with it for about 30 minutes, it's cool to see Strava identified it as a "Stationary" ride, but I'm wondering if you can distinguish between it and real rides. I haven't seen anything clearly stated yet, but I imagine this contest should exclude any such rides. Typically, they disallow any "manual" entries, but I'm sure we have some people participating that don't have a device capable of tracking their rides?

consularrider
12-05-2012, 10:30 AM
Ok, I've signed up. I'm 300685 (http://app.strava.com/athletes/300685). My November/December baseline milage is down this year because of traveling. That's probably appropriate for the challenge since I expect I'll have to make a couple of trips between January 1 and March 31, and will probably only have access to a stationary bike then. Of course if I do find a bike for some outdoor rides while traveling, it will not be a "freezing" saddle.

americancyclo
12-05-2012, 10:31 AM
I'm in too. Do we need to post our strava links here, or just in the sign up form?

rcannon100
12-05-2012, 10:40 AM
No no. I dont need your numbers here. Just sign up on the form. After the 25th, I will post the teams here.

31 riders so far. To form the teams, I will look at the score a rider is generating based on their averages. So riding 70 miles per week on average (1 point per mile) and riding 5 times a week (10 points per day) generates a score of 120.

The current average score is 127; the current median score is 120. And with this many people signing up, it should be not to hard to form teams of relatively equal average scores.

DCAKen
12-05-2012, 10:47 AM
I've signed up also. I'm 1224809 (http://app.strava.com/athletes/1224809). Hopefully the forecast of a snowier winter won't put too much of a dent in my riding.

Arlingtonrider
12-05-2012, 09:27 PM
I'm in! And bumping this up to encourage some more casual commuters to join in our winter shenanigans and help balance out the teams. This could be a fun way to up your game and liven up the winter season.

Bilsko
12-09-2012, 02:25 PM
Over on the Google+ Bike Commuting Community (https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/101791526784396691991) someone posted this picture of the "first iditabiker" (https://plus.google.com/u/0/109140844834606002253/posts/NFtMXWd1SSQ) - good motivation for the Freezing Saddles Competitors I think:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QLspP-oKTf4/UMS6lBbCzxI/AAAAAAAAQdQ/8XxH_P_LMXo/s1198/Top.jpg

rcannon100
12-13-2012, 08:25 AM
Have you signed up yet? (see first post)

rcannon100
12-17-2012, 12:45 PM
Weekly bump. Last week of Freezing Saddles registration. See first post.

ronwalf
12-17-2012, 12:57 PM
What's the count?

rcannon100
12-17-2012, 01:03 PM
Count: 43
Average Score: 122
Median Score: 110

So we are looking at about 9 teams.

birddog
12-21-2012, 11:56 AM
1416363

KayakCyndi
12-21-2012, 12:20 PM
Just signed up. Strava rider number 1192550. Apologies in advance to whatever Tribe I'm assigned to -- I already have three weeks of out-of-the-country business travel scheduled between Jan and end of Feb. Will try to find a bike but will rickshaw miles count if I can't?

GuyContinental
12-21-2012, 12:53 PM
Will try to find a bike but will rickshaw miles count if I can't?

Only if you are pulling the rickshaw...

rcannon100
12-21-2012, 12:56 PM
1416363

Did you sign up? Not sure I see you. I do see KayakCyndi

birddog
12-21-2012, 01:25 PM
This is my profile: http://app.strava.com/athletes/1416363

I have a lot of .gpx files that I haven't uploaded yet but will soon...

I'm a member of the BikeArlington club and my name is Jason Kyzer.

ShawnoftheDread
12-21-2012, 01:32 PM
Did you sign up? Not sure I see you. I do see KayakCyndi

Bob, the reg link seems to have gone bad. Or is it just me?

consularrider
12-21-2012, 01:35 PM
...Apologies in advance to whatever Tribe I'm assigned to -- I already have three weeks of out-of-the-country business travel scheduled between Jan and end of Feb...
I'm lobbying to put off my overseas travel until April, but probably won't be able to get away with that. Besides, that starts to eat into much nicer riding weather. What a dilemma.

rcannon100
12-21-2012, 02:06 PM
This is my profile: http://app.strava.com/athletes/1416363

I have a lot of .gpx files that I haven't uploaded yet but will soon...

I'm a member of the BikeArlington club and my name is Jason Kyzer.

I see you. Success!

PeteD
12-21-2012, 03:03 PM
Just wanted to make sure you got my sign up:

Rider ID: 768183

rcannon100
12-22-2012, 07:50 PM
Yes, I see you Pete.

BTW - Final reminder. Right now we have 47 folk signed up, with 9 teams. I have them pretty balanced so DONT no one else sign up :-) (U gots till Santa comes to sign up - then we pull names outta of the spreadsheet hat).

rcannon100
12-27-2012, 12:18 AM
Okay.... I threw your names down the stairs, and this is how they fell. 48 souls signed up. The average score for a rider is 120.73. There are 4.8 riders per team on 10 teams. Meaning that on average a team should have a score of 579.5 (score calculated by 1 point per mile and 10 points per day for an average week during November and December). Every team below has a score that deviates from the average by no more than 2.5 (in other words, the average score for each team is quite close). Each team has an average height of 5'11" and eats on average 1/2 gallon of ice cream per week (okay, well maybe I didnt mine the data that deep). The names below are suppose to be something we can use to identify you on STRAVA.

Team assignments were pretty random. I just kept throwing pieces of paper down the stairs until the scores were about the same.

Captains are people who will simply facilitate - like if there are any data or scoring kerfluffles. They may not need to do anything or maybe they will do lots. Who can really predict these things. Captains were volunteered by those people who volunteered to be captains, thus said volunteer who had the highest average score. They can also help organize team names or pointless awards.

The game starts Jan. 1 and goes to the last day of winter. U get 1 point for every mile ridden and 10 points for every day. Minimum ride is 1 mile.

This is all being done through STRAVA, the BikeArlington group. Ronwalf will share us the magical things we need to do.

THIS HAS BEEN REVISED

ejwillis62
12-27-2012, 08:17 AM
Glad it didn't start today. I chickened out on the riding to work because of the wind but will be ready jan 1st.

eminva
12-27-2012, 08:32 AM
rcannon, this is great. But is Jason Kyzer on two teams?

Anyway, Go Team 2! Looks like great company. We're gonna have fun!

Liz

americancyclo
12-27-2012, 08:44 AM
What are my responsibilities as a captain again?


Team 4
Calpike
Steve O
Cyndi Janetzko
http://app.strava.com/athletes/126281 (Shawn G/americancyclo) (captain)
ejwillis@yahoo.com

They can also help organize team names or pointless awards.

TwoWheelsDC
12-27-2012, 09:04 AM
In case my team is curious...



Team 1
Greg Ba (captain)
307483 (Mark Williams)
Lena Varuolo
443749 (Marc Mitcham/TwoWheelsDC)
Daniel Alexander

Certifried
12-27-2012, 09:12 AM
Thanks for putting all this together! I was freaking when you mentioned the ice cream, and feeling really guilty that I was bringing the average up (probably for everyone).

(and yes, you've got Jason Kyzer on team 8 and team 10)

go team 8!

oh, to be clear, I didn't see it posted anywhere, but do "trainer" rides count?

GuyContinental
12-27-2012, 09:32 AM
oh, to be clear, I didn't see it posted anywhere, but do "trainer" rides count?

It would hardly be a "freezing saddles" challenge if they did... (imagines spooky clowns "riding" a living room recumbent while eating bon bons and watching old recordings of le tour as I have icicles hanging off my nose...)

americancyclo
12-27-2012, 09:36 AM
What are my responsibilities as a captain again?
Steve O is the anti-bollard guy, right?

If so, as team captain, I propose a name change to the Bollard Busters

and an award for the first team to pick a name!

Calpike, Steve O, Cyndi, ejwillis@yahoo.com?

Arlingtonrider
12-27-2012, 10:14 AM
A word to those who are new here and who don't know your teammates - a similar challenge many of us participated in last summer showed that this is a great way to make new friends. It might also be a good reason to have some impromptu Freezing Saddles happy hours, weekend rides or other get-togethers during the course of the challenge. All should feel free to announce anything they would like to suggest in that regard, anytime. Many thanks to RCannon100, RonWalf and all of the team captains!

rcannon100
12-27-2012, 10:23 AM
rcannon, this is great. But is Jason Kyzer on two teams?

Anyway, Go Team 2! Looks like great company. We're gonna have fun!

Liz

Merde! Jason may have signed up twice and I did not catch it. Okay, that will throw the numbers. Please look over the list and see if you see anything else obviously deviant like that - and I will run the teams again today. So..... These lists will be revised (probably completely cause I just look at numbers to get the teams to balance out, I dont look at names)

rcannon100
12-27-2012, 10:25 AM
Thanks for putting all this together! I was freaking when you mentioned the ice cream, and feeling really guilty that I was bringing the average up (probably for everyone).

(and yes, you've got Jason Kyzer on team 8 and team 10)

go team 8!

oh, to be clear, I didn't see it posted anywhere, but do "trainer" rides count?

The scoring is based on miles riden and days riden. A "ride" is longer than one mile. After that, all rides count - recreational, commuter, HP100....

Actually, let me re-run this right now - deleting the 2nd Jason.... I will be back to you in an hour. But expect a full shuffle.

ejwillis62
12-27-2012, 10:38 AM
instead of ejwillis@yahoo.com you can call me LIZ W. My strava number is 163744.

rcannon100
12-27-2012, 11:45 AM
Okay, rerunning the numbers - everything is probably shuffled - again, my goal is to assemble teams of relatively equal average scores.

What's the role of the captain. Well, my guess is we need one person to facilitate the game. Handle any data kerfluffles. Clarify things. Otherwise, no one is in charge here. Or, the crowd.... the mob... the bicycle cabal.... is in charge here. What do you think the captain should be? Personally, I dont see the captain as a coach. I see the captain as a backup to STRAVA not working perfectly as we expect - just helping the game work. I also think it would be nifty if each team organizes for a pointless award.

If you want to change the way your name appears, you can do that in STRAVA. The only purpose of this is to throw names down the stairs and mush teams together.

Okay, does this run work?

TEAM 1
Greg Ba
http://app.strava.com/athletes/126281
Matthew Whatley
Shawn Dread (captain)
443749

TEAM 2
Pete DeNitto - 768183
Steve Appel
James Hoofnagle
Jason Kyzer
BonzaiBuckaroo

TEAM 3
Trish Newberg
randy napiza 313677
Mark Blacknell (captain)
essigmw
Daniel Alexander

TEAM 4
EKR
Kel Moore
Chris Shue
Crystal Bae
Elizabeth MacGregor (captain)

TEAM 5
http://app.strava.com/athletes/benbhsu
cptjohnc
307483 (Mark Williams)
Christopher Niebylski
vvill (captain)

TEAM 6
Calpike
Arlingtonrider
rcannon100 (captain)
sjclaeys
ejwillis@yahoo.com

TEAM 7
Henning Schulzrinne
klizotte
Brad Hancock
Ron Alford (captain)
Chris Randall

TEAM 8
Ken Buja (1224809) (captain)
Kevin Williams, Strava # 580756, BA "GuyContinental"
Lena Varuolo
Hans Lellelid

TEAM 9
Steve O
jopamora
Justin Antos (Strava 1473093)
http://app.strava.com/athletes/488016 (captain)

TEAM 10
certifried
strava name Karen Smith (forum poster acl)
Cyndi Janetzko
Rod Smith (captain)

americancyclo
12-27-2012, 11:48 AM
Okay, does this run work?

TEAM 1
Greg Ba
http://app.strava.com/athletes/126281
Matthew Whatley
Shawn Dread (captain)
443749

Two Shawns on one team!

rcannon100
12-27-2012, 11:50 AM
Two Shawns on one team!

Dread!

Megabeth
12-27-2012, 12:05 PM
D'oh! Uh, is it too late to join a team? (Sorry, I got a little distracted over the past few weeks...)

Certifried
12-27-2012, 12:07 PM
TEAM 10
certifried
strava name Karen Smith (forum poster acl)
Cyndi Janetzko
Rod Smith (captain)

OK, this is going to be fun. All I need to do is get a bunch of Edible Arrangements (or, alternately, Wonder Bread (http://i.imgur.com/OZyw5.jpg)) sent to my apartment in Bethesda, and request that it be couriered by Rod (http://gwadzilla.blogspot.com/2012/12/rodney-smith-dc-bicycle-messenger-with.html). I won't even need to ride at all!

Arlingtonrider
12-27-2012, 12:29 PM
Can we get Megabeth in? Maybe a last call (a day or two) for registrations before teams are finalized?

KelOnWheels
12-27-2012, 12:39 PM
Woohoo! Time to go bike shopping!

Greenbelt
12-27-2012, 12:41 PM
TEAM 9
Steve O
jopamora
Justin Antos (Strava 1473093)
http://app.strava.com/athletes/488016 (captain) = Jeff from Greenbelt

Megabeth
12-27-2012, 12:56 PM
I submitted my form. I hope the All Powerful Oz will let me in. I've been (sorta) good this year. :)

(My strava doesn't have my commuter and short haul rides in it...I'll load them all up in 2013. I promise!)

Rod Smith
12-27-2012, 01:03 PM
OK, this is going to be fun. All I need to do is get a bunch of Edible Arrangements (or, alternately, Wonder Bread (http://i.imgur.com/OZyw5.jpg)) sent to my apartment in Bethesda, and request that it be couriered by Rod (http://gwadzilla.blogspot.com/2012/12/rodney-smith-dc-bicycle-messenger-with.html). I won't even need to ride at all!

Ouch, I'm on the short board but "if you've got the money, honey, I've got the time..." (Lefty Frizzell) :D

ShawnoftheDread
12-27-2012, 01:21 PM
Ouch, I'm on the short board but "if you've got the money, honey, I've got the time..." (Lefty Frizzell) :D

Lefty's awesome.

Subby
12-27-2012, 01:40 PM
Oh wait - this wasn't a joke?

Oh fine. :)

(I'm Chris Shue on Strava)

Bilsko
12-27-2012, 02:02 PM
Here's to hoping that the teams stay fixed - because I already created a Strava Club for my team: http://app.strava.com/clubs/freezing-saddles-team-v

TwoWheelsDC
12-27-2012, 02:17 PM
I apologize to my team in advance...as I transition to my rotation downtown sometime in the next couple weeks, I'll probably be off the bike for several days while I figure out the particulars of bike commuting to the new office. Of course, given that neither my new office or my current office seems to know how to make my rotation happen, the contest could be over by the time I move.

rcannon100
12-27-2012, 02:57 PM
Okay, teams are set. Its in your hands now.

crysb
12-27-2012, 03:03 PM
TEAM 4
EKR
Kel Moore
Chris Shue
Crystal Bae
Elizabeth MacGregor (captain)


Go team cuatro!

Megabeth
12-27-2012, 03:20 PM
We started talking about Freezing Saddles a month ago, and registration started on Dec. 4.

Ha! Ironically, the Hains Point 100 was "born" the evening of December 3rd so I lost all touch with reality since then...

Rather than cause any statistical upheaval, I can withdraw and just cheer from the sidelines. (Any team that would like me to kick Mark in the knees so it reduces his mileage, I do take bribes...)

Certifried
12-27-2012, 03:25 PM
Ha! Ironically, the Hains Point 100 was "born" the evening of December 3rd so I lost all touch with reality since then...

Rather than cause any statistical upheaval, I can withdraw and just cheer from the sidelines. (Any team that would like me to kick Mark in the knees so it reduces his mileage, I do take bribes...)

PM sent

ronwalf
12-27-2012, 03:31 PM
Team captains,
Please logon to Strava, create a new club (http://app.strava.com/clubs/new), post a link to that club here, and encourage your other members to join.

Here's mine:
Team 7: Rock Ridge Riders (http://app.strava.com/clubs/team-7-rock-ridge-riders)
Anyone want to make a logo?

ShawnoftheDread
12-27-2012, 03:44 PM
Here's Team 1 (name ideas welcomed):
http://app.strava.com/clubs/19265/manage

ShawnoftheDread
12-27-2012, 03:46 PM
I apologize to my team in advance...as I transition to my rotation downtown sometime in the next couple weeks, I'll probably be off the bike for several days while I figure out the particulars of bike commuting to the new office. Of course, given that neither my new office or my current office seems to know how to make my rotation happen, the contest could be over by the time I move.

There's no clock limit, so feel free to make up any missed rides after dinner.

Greenbelt
12-27-2012, 03:49 PM
Team 9 club link: http://app.strava.com/clubs/19267

jopamora
12-27-2012, 04:06 PM
Team 9 club link: http://app.strava.com/clubs/19267

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdPvN7HOLh8

KelOnWheels
12-27-2012, 05:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HnF5T4Neuc

Bilsko
12-27-2012, 05:11 PM
Team captains,
Please logon to Strava, create a new club (http://app.strava.com/clubs/new), post a link to that club here, and encourage your other members to join.

Here's mine:
Team 7: Rock Ridge Riders (http://app.strava.com/clubs/team-7-rock-ridge-riders)
Anyone want to make a logo?

Im not the team 5 captain, but I did create a Strava group: http://app.strava.com/clubs/freezing-saddles-team-v

ronwalf
12-27-2012, 05:48 PM
Im not the team 5 captain, but I did create a Strava group: http://app.strava.com/clubs/freezing-saddles-team-v

You seem to have a private group? Can you distribute the passcode to your team mates?

Subby
12-27-2012, 06:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HnF5T4Neuc
Appropriately intimidating AND confusing!

GO TEAM FO!

Mark Blacknell
12-27-2012, 06:30 PM
TEAM 3
Trish Newberg
randy napiza 313677
Mark Blacknell (captain)
essigmw
Daniel Alexander


Okay, kids, here you go, Team Liebe Zu Dritt (http://app.strava.com/clubs/19281). Here's your theme song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3O08RieWwQ).

If the competition is KOMs, I suggest we take aim at Team 8. If it's sheer miles in the saddle, watch that treacherous Team 7.

And I think Team 11 needs to come into existence, stat.

Bilsko
12-27-2012, 06:35 PM
You seem to have a private group? Can you distribute the passcode to your team mates?

I already did via PM here on the forums

Arlingtonrider
12-27-2012, 07:46 PM
My suggestion is that Team Six should just be named "Team Six". On the road at 0 Dark Thirty.

KelOnWheels
12-27-2012, 07:51 PM
GO TEAM FO!

http://store.goteampho.com/

eminva
12-27-2012, 09:18 PM
Here's Team Four (http://app.strava.com/clubs/19289)!

Teammates! If you have a better idea for a name, let me know. I just threw them all up there.

Go Team FourCuatroPho!

Liz

consularrider
12-27-2012, 09:27 PM
I apologize to my team in advance...as I transition to my rotation downtown sometime in the next couple weeks, I'll probably be off the bike for several days while I figure out the particulars of bike commuting to the new office. Of course, given that neither my new office or my current office seems to know how to make my rotation happen, the contest could be over by the time I move.
From our earlier discussion, your new commute should be easy peasy.

americancyclo
12-28-2012, 07:26 AM
Here's Team 1 (name ideas welcomed):
http://app.strava.com/clubs/19265/manage

Sorry, you are not allowed to access that page. :(

ShawnoftheDread
12-28-2012, 08:50 AM
Sorry, you are not allowed to access that page. :(

Sorry, cut off the "manage" part of the link.
http://app.strava.com/clubs/19265

Arlingtonrider
12-28-2012, 09:02 AM
Here's the link to Freezing Saddles Team Six - http://app.strava.com/clubs/19327. Team members, please let me know if you have any technical issues.

Certifried
12-28-2012, 09:28 AM
Well, Team 10, not sure what Rod wants to do, but we can use a team I've actually had in place for a while

http://app.strava.com/clubs/i-crit-my-pants

I Crit My Pants.

I'd have to kick Mr. Alford out until the end of the challenge, but I'd let him back in (if he agrees to slack off during Freezing Saddles)

KayakCyndi
12-28-2012, 11:00 AM
Well, Team 10, not sure what Rod wants to do, but we can use a team I've actually had in place for a while

http://app.strava.com/clubs/i-crit-my-pants

I Crit My Pants.

I'd have to kick Mr. Alford out until the end of the challenge, but I'd let him back in (if he agrees to slack off during Freezing Saddles)

Works for me. I'll join now.

DCAKen
12-28-2012, 11:03 AM
Team 8's group is up: http://app.strava.com/clubs/team-ocho-the-underdogs

With apologies to Dodgeball: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50jVa25gmWs

rcannon100
12-28-2012, 11:16 AM
Ug. Okay, the sign up form specifically asked that people sign up with their STRAVA User Names so that they could be found. I did not want to collect any additional Personal Information (protecting privacy). The sign up form directed people to go to STRAVA and set up accounts.

It appears people may not have done so, and may not be findable. Captains are going to have to determine the extent of this problem - and then determine what we are going to do about it. Frankly.... I am not entirely sure what to do. I do think we need to give people who signed up enough time to actually show up.

Captains, you wanted to know what your assignment is? Well, here's your first kerfluffle.

Certifried
12-28-2012, 11:21 AM
Strava has some reasonably decent privacy controls. You can even set up a privacy zone around your destinations; work, home, etc. For people who don't wish to join Strava, maybe the captains could enter mileage manually for them? They could create a new piece of equipment and log miles against that under the non-Strava user. Or if someone is that worried about privacy, maybe they shouldn't be doing the challenge.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

Arlingtonrider
12-28-2012, 11:30 AM
My own view (as a non-captain) is that that would put too much burden on the captains. If people want to participate in this, they should at least be willing to enter their own data.

Amalitza
12-28-2012, 11:34 AM
Or if someone is that worried about privacy,


I actually felt somewhat uncomfortable with the idea of publicly posting my comings and goings-- I'm reasonably sure I don't have a stalker or anything, but I've had enough slightly sketchy situations in the past that it just *feels* a bit unwise, even if I can't quite pin down a specific reason for it. So I didn't use my real name. Strava doesn't seem to care.

TwoWheelsDC
12-28-2012, 11:40 AM
Rides marked "private" should still show up in mileage counts, people just won't be able to see the details of your ride. This may not eliminate the privacy issue for everyone, but it's a good option for people with concerns.

Mark Blacknell
12-28-2012, 11:53 AM
Is this where Captains get to make people walk the plank? Because that's really the only reason I wanted to be a Captain.

KLizotte
12-28-2012, 11:56 AM
Is this where Captains get to make people walk the plank? Because that's really the only reason I wanted to be a Captain.

Captain Blacknell has a nice ring to it.

jopamora
12-28-2012, 12:01 PM
Is this where Captains get to make people walk the plank? Because that's really the only reason I wanted to be a Captain.

Yarg!

TwoWheelsDC
12-28-2012, 12:07 PM
Is this where Captains get to make people walk the plank? Because that's really the only reason I wanted to be a Captain.

Is that what kids are calling it these days? I'm just going to call Team 3 "US Postal".

ShawnoftheDread
12-28-2012, 12:11 PM
Yarg!

Dread is taken!

ronwalf
12-28-2012, 12:17 PM
TEAM 2
Pete DeNitto - 768183
Steve Appel
James Hoofnagle
Jason Kyzer
BonzaiBuckaroo


Team 2, where are youuuuuuuu? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_C2HJvtRDY)

I have the teams for all the rest. Please join up with your team!

At some point in the next week, I'll post a link to the scoreboard. Right now, I'm supposed to be prepping for my PhD proposal and preliminary exam...

Certifried
12-28-2012, 12:29 PM
Is anyone else finding they're constantly going to the team list to remember what team they're on, or find other team members to heckle?? lol

http://bikearlingtonforum.com/showthread.php?3500-Freezing-Saddles-Winter-Bike-Challenge-(sign-up-open)&p=38921#post38921

bookmarked!

Steve
12-28-2012, 12:59 PM
Team 2, where are youuuuuuuu? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_C2HJvtRDY)

I have the teams for all the rest. Please join up with your team!

At some point in the next week, I'll post a link to the scoreboard. Right now, I'm supposed to be prepping for my PhD proposal and preliminary exam...

I'm not the Team Captain, I don't think, but I created a group. We might need to come up with a more fun name than "Team II", Team two. Twowheels seems to have taken that name already. We'll think of something.....

http://app.strava.com/clubs/19345

culimerc
12-28-2012, 03:31 PM
I'm not the Team Captain, I don't think, but I created a group. We might need to come up with a more fun name than "Team II", Team two. Twowheels seems to have taken that name already. We'll think of something.....

http://app.strava.com/clubs/19345

Team 2; we take it to ll

DCAKen
12-28-2012, 03:40 PM
Team Two: Two Tired

culimerc
12-28-2012, 03:44 PM
Team 2: Squirrel!!

or simply;

"The Deuce"

ronwalf
12-28-2012, 06:59 PM
Trial run: http://www.cs.umd.edu/~ronwalf/2013/freezing-saddles/

That's a mockup of the scoreboard (though that's the url where they'll eventually land). There's still a bit of polishing to do.

These are faux-results, calculated as if the competition ran from November 1st through December 31st. They also don't update automatically - I have to go press a button or two on my laptop.
Come January 2nd or 3rd, I plan to start calculating the real results, and updating the page every 15 minutes or half-hour or so.

ronwalf
12-28-2012, 07:22 PM
I'm still missing Henning Schulzrinne and Brad Hancock from Team 7. Are they active on the forum?

Mikey
12-28-2012, 09:08 PM
Is that what kids are calling it these days? I'm just going to call Team 3 "US Postal".

Hey, no member of team 3 has ever failed a winter-based bike challenge drug test. Not say in' we're not on epo for this, just admitting no failed drug test.

Arlingtonrider
12-28-2012, 09:27 PM
Should there be basic ground rules with regard to a few things - e.g., one mile minimum, and no credit for milege on indoor trainers or with electric assist?

ronwalf
12-28-2012, 09:39 PM
Should there be basic ground rules with regard to a few things - e.g., one mile minimum, and no credit for milege on indoor trainers or with electric assist?

To get the 10 point daily bonus, you need to put in at least one mile that day.

I'd be happy to filter out indoor training rides. Strava doesn't give me a way to automatically tell the difference, though. One way to do it would be for people to voluntarily put the word "Trainer" on their indoor training rides, and I could filter those rides out of the score.

Electric assist? That's just crazy - it's like turning the A/C on during the winter :) I'd only object if they have heated seats and handlebars.

ronwalf
12-28-2012, 10:35 PM
The Freezing Saddles competition is nigh. Make sure you're ready!

First, make sure you're signed up for Strava, and that you've joined both the BikeArlington (http://app.strava.com/clubs/bikearlington) club and your team club. Here's the list of people not signed up with their team, yet:


Team 1 (http://app.strava.com/clubs/19265): Greg Ba
Team 2 (http://app.strava.com/clubs/19345): BonzaiBuckaroo
Team 3 (http://app.strava.com/clubs/19281): Daniel Alexander
Team 4 (http://app.strava.com/clubs/19289): EKR
Team 5 (http://app.strava.com/clubs/19247): cptjohnc
Team 6 (http://app.strava.com/clubs/19327): Calpike
Team 7 (http://app.strava.com/clubs/19263): Brad Hancock (http://app.strava.com/athletes/1412719)
Team 8 (http://app.strava.com/clubs/19337): No one!
Team 9 (http://app.strava.com/clubs/19267): Steve O
Team 10 (http://app.strava.com/clubs/8189): No one! (Congrats on being the first full team!)


You can start entering your rides now! Just logon to Strava and hit the "Upload Activity" button in the top right. Then choose how you want to enter the activity (from Garmin, manual entry, etc), and submit! When doing manual entry, the only entries that need to be correct are the "Date" and "Distance" fields.

When you're done, take a look at the score board (http://www.cs.umd.edu/~ronwalf/2013/freezing-saddles/). Your rides won't show up immediately - you have to wait for me to update the page. Hopefully that wait will drastically shorten once January 2nd hits. Right now the scores are for the November 1st to December 31st period. Once January 1st rolls around, the scores will reset to 0, and the competition will begin in ernest.

The score board has links to all the teams and members. Feel free to click on your competitions' teams and leave... appropriate comments. Certifried has!

rcannon100
12-29-2012, 07:53 AM
I'm still missing Henning Schulzrinne and Brad Hancock from Team 7. Are they active on the forum?
Henning works in my office. I am sending him a note.

As for the others, it is winter break - I think it is important to give people time to show up.

rcannon100
12-29-2012, 07:56 AM
We had consensus on the game one month ago. I would ask that we not go backwards and challenge that. It makes it difficult to go forward. It also makes it difficult to do something like this again. Either we are able to come together and decide how games like this will work - or we arent and then we cant do things like this.


My own view (as a non-captain) is that that would put too much burden on the captains.

We havent put any burden on captains. People are captains because they volunteered to be captains (the person with the highest average score on the team who volunteered won the prize). Anyone could volunteer. Being a captain (not a coach) of a team is usually a mundane role of tending towards administrative tasks (back when I played ultimate frisbee, 'captains' largely told people where the game was and when to show up; and organized who would buy the beer!). In this case, the captains have been setting up the "clubs" in STRAVA and will likely help solve any data kerfluffles. In the best of all words, Captains will need to do very little.


If people want to participate in this, they should at least be willing to enter their own data.

Its a game. We came up with the rules a month ago. The way the game is set up is that each team starts with essentially the same handicap. To do that, every team had to be formed at the same time. That means anyone who wants to participate can - they just had to show up on time - they had a month to do so. Of course anyone can join STRAVA and anyone can join the Bike Arlington club. But for the Freezing Saddles game to work, the handicaps had to start as essentially the same.


For people who don't wish to join Strava, maybe the captains could enter mileage manually for them? They could create a new piece of equipment and log miles against that under the non-Strava user. Or if someone is that worried about privacy, maybe they shouldn't be doing the challenge.

This was discussed one month ago - and certain people advocated very strongly for STRAVA. We had consensus that we would use STRAVA. I do not think it would be appropriate to ask the captains to have to do this type of thing. The role of the captain was specifically designed to be minimal - just one POC per team to ensure that the game moves smoothly and irons out any kerfluffles. The goal was also to create one place - one backend - where the game could be played out. Looks like Ron is doing an excellent job of achieving this.


Should there be basic ground rules with regard to a few things

Here is the game that we had consensus on (assuming that the rules need exegesis, that is what the captains are for):

The saga runs January 1 until the last day of Winter, March 20. It will conclude with a March Madness Playoff that someone will probably design. There will be a Happy Hour at the end with many pointless trophies.

Tribes (teams):

Composed of ~5 riders or less
For riders from the #bikedc, Washington DC Bike Forum general community (Washington DC greater metropolitan area)
Volunteer Captains (captains will address any data problems, negotiate or cause confusion, and provide motivational seminars);
This is a ten-gallon hat tournament. Riders will be randomly assigned to tribes based on self declared average weekly mileage and days cycled. Tribes will be created so that each tribes's average weekly point score is roughly equal to everyone else's. To achieve this, tribes may be composed of differing numbers of riders.
No late sign ups.
Interested cyclists must sign up by December 25 Midnight - Tribes will be announced within a couple days.


Scoring: Riders will receive 10 points for each day and 1 point for each mile ridden. Minimum ride is 1 mile. The tribe's score will be the sum of the tribe members.

Backend: STRAVA (please sign up for an account, and join the "Bike Arlington" club on STRAVA - you should be able to enter data manually or automatically. Additional information will be posted here on the forum.)

This is a self organized group activity based on consensus. No one is in charge or running this thing. Participation is voluntary and entirely at your own risk.

Rod Smith
12-29-2012, 08:27 AM
You can enter your ride manually on Strava. They do ask for a start time and duration so you will still be revealing something about your whereabouts. You can fake the start time of your ride if you want, I don't suppose anyone would object to that. I hope correct date would be entered and of course, correct distance. :)

If you haven't yet joined Strava, you might consider using a fake name too. Or you can start a new account.

Rod Smith
12-29-2012, 08:39 AM
Pete Beers is listed on the individual scoreboard but not on a team. By himself he would be in fifth place.

rcannon100
12-29-2012, 08:39 AM
You can enter your ride manually on Strava. They do ask for a start time and duration so you will still be revealing something about your whereabouts. You can fake the start time of your ride if you want, I don't suppose anyone would object to that. I hope correct date would be entered and of course, correct distance. :)

If you haven't yet joined Strava, you might consider using a fake name too. Or you can start a new account.

As a privacy advocate, I am a major proponent of bunkum. You can (and should) fill the account with fake information. Better yet, create a fake profile and consistently use that fake profile. If you repeat the fake information enough times, the data miners will begin to believe you. If, for example, you use a fake DOB enough times, you will find that is what the data miners think is your DOB. While I provide no guidance one whether this might violate a TOS, I do think one of the the best solution to privacy is good old BS.

Greenbelt
12-29-2012, 01:42 PM
I've lost points since yesterday (by riding backwards?)! :)

ronwalf
12-29-2012, 02:22 PM
I've lost points since yesterday (by riding backwards?)! :)


Yeah, there's some bug I have to hunt down. I cache each user's total score, and only look for new rides. When I wiped out the cache, at least one person's scores went down. Apparently there's a bug where every time I rerun the scoring program without deleting the cache, Justin Antos's score increases. Edit: I think this is fixed now.

This is why it's a test run! (also, did your score really go down? It looks like its just your teammate's score)

Rod Smith
12-29-2012, 02:30 PM
I think everyone's score went down a little.

ronwalf
12-29-2012, 02:48 PM
I think everyone's score went down a little.

Hmm... it wasn't counting days correctly. That should be fixed, now. Hurrah for people looking.

ejwillis62
12-29-2012, 03:03 PM
Somehow I think I am listed as elizabeth M when I should be elizabeth w. Fir elizabeth willis.

Subby
12-29-2012, 03:10 PM
Somehow I think I am listed as elizabeth M when I should be elizabeth w. Fir elizabeth willis.
It looks like there is an Elizabeth W on team 9.

http://www.cs.umd.edu/~ronwalf/2013/freezing-saddles/

Greenbelt
12-29-2012, 04:03 PM
Comment deleted -- duh -- I didn't realize the numbers along the left were the rankings...

mwhatley
12-29-2012, 07:50 PM
Hi friends, finally joined up with team one on Strava (hey captain, what's the team name?) and am siked to start adding up the miles. When does the beer drinking happen? Cheers!

vvill
12-29-2012, 07:57 PM
Team V is already leading the pre-challenge standings! Yea-uh!

ejwillis62
12-29-2012, 08:08 PM
Maybe I am on team nine I thought I was on team six man I hope I joined the right team .

Someone tell me how I tell.

ejwillis62
12-29-2012, 08:09 PM
Okay it says the number 9' but it says team six. I think I am okay.

ShawnoftheDread
12-29-2012, 09:31 PM
Hi friends, finally joined up with team one on Strava (hey captain, what's the team name?) and am siked to start adding up the miles. When does the beer drinking happen? Cheers!

Welcome aboard. The team name is Team 1 unless we come up with something better. Any suggestions?

The beer drinking has started already and will be ongoing.

Justin Antos
12-30-2012, 11:57 AM
Apparently there's a bug where every time I rerun the scoring program without deleting the cache, Justin Antos's score increases. Edit: I think this is fixed now.


I'm new to Strava and have been uploading tons of older 2012 rides from CycleMeter over the past couple of days. Sorry - hope this didn't mess you up too much!

Justin Antos
12-30-2012, 12:09 PM
P.S. Go Team Nine!

ronwalf
12-30-2012, 01:54 PM
I'm new to Strava and have been uploading tons of older 2012 rides from CycleMeter over the past couple of days. Sorry - hope this didn't mess you up too much!

No, not a problem. It's good to catch the bugs early.

As a bonus, the score board now updates every 15 minutes (at 3, 18, 33, and 48 past the hour).

crysb
12-30-2012, 05:42 PM
Open invitation to anyone who wants to join Team FourCuatroPho for some lunchtime pho in Old Town Alexandria (and trash talkin') on January 1st!

Bilsko
12-30-2012, 06:13 PM
Open invitation to anyone who wants to join Team FourCuatroPho for some lunchtime pho in Old Town Alexandria (and trash talkin') on January 1st!

I would *so* be up for Pho on Jan 1, but usually when I eat pho I eat so much that my stomach feels like its going to burst right after. I don't know if always ordering a large pho with 2 or 3 kinds of meat is the problem or what, but its pretty much every time. I don't ever even feel that full after a Thanksgiving meal. Sorry, just wanted to make it clear just how incapacitating a good pho meal can be for me. So, anyways, that sounds like a really bad idea for a time to ride a bicycle.

Ahhhhh....I see, this invitation is sabotage - lure the unsuspecting participants from other teams in and then POW, disable them with pho. Well played, sir. Well played.

Mark Blacknell
12-30-2012, 06:35 PM
Some points:

1) I think trainer rides should count. Anyone who can put up with that ()*@#@ deserves some credit. Believe me, I would not be a beneficiary of this rule.

2) Team 3 may well, in fact, turn out to be the Blue Train.

3) Pete should be his own team. I know he has at least five voices in his head.

4) Cannon's a despot.

Arlingtonrider
12-30-2012, 06:59 PM
I don't think trainer rides have been ruled out. I asked whether we wanted any rules on things like that, then Ron said he could filter them out, but I don't think any decisions were made to exclude them. I think the only rule is that one mile minimum is needed to count for a ride day. Later - I'm fine either way, but Shawn of the Dread makes a good point below.

ShawnoftheDread
12-30-2012, 07:17 PM
I don't think trainer rides have been ruled out. I asked whether we wanted any rules on things like that, then Ron said he could filter them out, but I don't think any decisions were made to exclude them. I think the only rule is that one mile minimum is needed to count for a ride day. I'm fine with that.

I was under the impression that one of the very first agreements was no trainers. It's hardly a winter challenge if it can be done indoors.

ronwalf
12-30-2012, 07:17 PM
1) I think trainer rides should count. Anyone who can put up with that ()*@#@ deserves some credit. Believe me, I would not be a beneficiary of this rule.

Yeah, I think they're going to count. They weren't ruled out early on, so no reason to change the rules now. We can be an inclusive group.

On that note, there's also this funny point: The Strava APIs don't let me distinguish between any activity type. So if you want to snow shoe your way to the top of the charts, I ain't got the power to stop you :)

crysb
12-30-2012, 07:25 PM
I was under the impression that one of the very first agreements was no trainers. It's hardly a winter challenge if it can be done indoors.

I agree with this - "freezing saddles" should mean you're outside putting in the miles.

eminva
12-30-2012, 07:31 PM
EKR, EKR, wherefore art thou, EKR?


I would *so* be up for Pho on Jan 1, but usually when I eat pho I eat so much that my stomach feels like its going to burst right after.

@Bilsko, it's a Vietnamese restaurant -- order a plate of rice, bacon and brown sugar and assemble your own Feed Zone rice cakes for a mid-ride power snack!

I will be there with the Team FourCautroPho booster club -- hope others can make it, too.

Liz

Arlingtonrider
12-30-2012, 07:47 PM
Calpike, are you out there with EKR??

bikenurse
12-30-2012, 07:55 PM
Is too late to get in on the game? Do any teams need subs? -Laurie

http://app.strava.com/athletes/302448

Bilsko
12-30-2012, 07:58 PM
Perhaps trainer rides could be worth fewer points - or only count up to a certain percentage of a team's total? (ie. trainer miles can't contribute more than 20% of a team's total - all trainer miles above that amount dont count).

It is the Freezing Saddles competition, after all.

Greenbelt
12-30-2012, 08:03 PM
Perhaps trainer rides could be worth fewer points - or only count up to a certain percentage of a team's total? (ie. trainer miles can't contribute more than 20% of a team's total - all trainer miles above that amount dont count).

It is the Freezing Saddles competition, after all.

I think trainer rides should qualify for full points if the trainer is set up outside. In the elements. With video. Sort of like in Breaking Away.

Bilsko
12-30-2012, 08:03 PM
Is too late to get in on the game? Do any teams need subs? -Laurie

http://app.strava.com/athletes/302448

There may still be one last straggler team thrown together - as long as the mileage totals for its participants aren't way off of the numbers for the other teams. I think there are one or two others, in addition to yourself, who are in that position.

ronwalf
12-30-2012, 08:13 PM
Is too late to get in on the game? Do any teams need subs? -Laurie
http://app.strava.com/athletes/302448
There was talk of starting Team 11 with MegaBeth?


Perhaps trainer rides could be worth fewer points - or only count up to a certain percentage of a team's total?
I was initially against counting trainer rides, but I've come around:

As Mark said, it's just a different kind of suffering.
It's only significantly affecting the score of one person.
I can't programmatically distinguish between activity types, so any rule we set is going to be difficult to implement well.
As a corollary to the above point, if you ice skate across the arctic ocean, that will count towards your score.

But most of all, this is a fun, low-stakes, friendly competition. If the winning team rusted out five bikes with sweat on trainers, or if Greenbelt's team only won because he swam the English Channel, we'll all have a good time heckling them on podium.

And if that isn't enough? You can run your own scoreboard! At the bottom of the scoreboard is a link to the code needed to create your own - and at the end we can all arm wrestle over whose rules rule.

hozn
12-30-2012, 08:31 PM
I was initially against counting trainer rides, but I've come around:

As Mark said, it's just a different kind of suffering.
It's only significantly affecting the score of one person.
I can't programmatically distinguish between activity types, so any rule we set is going to be difficult to implement well.
As a corollary to the above point, if you ice skate across the arctic ocean, that will count towards your score.
But most of all, this is a fun, low-stakes, friendly competition. If the winning team rusted out five bikes with sweat on trainers, or if Greenbelt's team only won because he swam the English Channel, we'll all have a good time heckling them on podium.

I agree with others that you can't call the competition "freezing saddles" if someone can look outside at the foot of snow, get a top off on their coffee, and head to the basement to leisurely crank out 40 miles while catching up on missed TV.

But that's just me. If trainers are allowed, I know that it'll mean I can crank out some miles before the roads are plowed if it does dump a foot of snow on us.

One thing I think *would* be interesting for next year's competition would be to integrate weather data using weather api (e.g. wunderground.com) and increase points for inclement weather -- e.g. precipitation, windchill, etc. That would be more in the spirit, I think. I volunteer to help with the software.

Bilsko
12-30-2012, 08:56 PM
I was initially against counting trainer rides, but I've come around:


I'm not saying that I'm for or against counting trainer rides - I agree, this is a fun, social competition that shouldn't get too bogged down in minutiae. I was just throwing a couple ideas out there for a scoring mechanism that might accomodate those who think trainer rides should be included and those others who are against them.

I'm not sure I care too much one way or the other, as I suspect the competition itself might be be motivation enough to get people up and out and on their bikes on days when they might otherwise hop on the trainer.

KLizotte
12-30-2012, 09:02 PM
I'm in favor of including trainer rides for the following reasons:

1) It promotes *fitness* for everyone. Not everyone on the forum is a commuter; therefore, it will be harder for some folks to get miles in during the week given that it is winter. I, for one, am not about to risk life and limb after 7:00 pm, by myself, on an icy trail or when it is really cold out (hypothermia can set in if you get hurt). After breaking my thumb over the summer from a splat on a boardwalk far from home, I have learned the hard way how these nasty surprises can occur.

2) Some folks live in areas that get more snow/ice than we city creatures.

3) In case you haven't tried it, trainer riding is deadly boring, even with the best of TV shows to watch. If given the choice, I'll ride outside in the cold/wind but if I think there is a good chance I'll go splat on ice/leaves, the trainer gets the workout.

I'm really hoping for a mild winter; the trainer is a torture device.

KLizotte
12-30-2012, 09:03 PM
Open invitation to anyone who wants to join Team FourCuatroPho for some lunchtime pho in Old Town Alexandria (and trash talkin') on January 1st!

I'm in! Just name time and place.

ShawnoftheDread
12-30-2012, 09:15 PM
Looking back at the original post, I fear I imagined the agreement on banning trainers. So train away I guess.

But I remain unconvinced by any of the arguments for them. I can't recall anyone ever holding a mid-winter "polar bear" swim in an indoor pool, with the justification that swimming laps is boring and therefore just as torturous as an icy lake.

dcv
12-30-2012, 09:50 PM
Which team is the slacker team?

http://www.teamnameshirts.com/thumbteam.php?name=SLACKER&font=freshman.ttf&color=000000&prod=1

http://www.teamnameshirts.com/products.php?name=SLACKER&font=freshman.ttf&color=000000

I'm so jealous of all your riding

TwoWheelsDC
12-30-2012, 10:01 PM
Looking back at the original post, I fear I imagined the agreement on banning trainers. So train away I guess.

But I remain unconvinced by any of the arguments for them. I can't recall anyone ever holding a mid-winter "polar bear" swim in an indoor pool, with the justification that swimming laps is boring and therefore just as torturous as an icy lake.

I agree in principle, but I fear we're all on the verge of overthinking this whole thing. But maybe Team1 can make a "no trainer" pledge, which doubtless will make our victory even sweeter.

Arlingtonrider
12-30-2012, 10:03 PM
A slight change of subject - I had lunch at Cap City today and was given a number of $10 door tickets to their New Year's Eve party that I want to offer to Freezing Saddles participants or wanna bes. (Note that the buffet costs extra) I plan to go there for a drink with a couple of cyclist friends around 9 or 10 p.m., but will probably not stay through midnight. If anyone would like to go or to join us there, please send me a PM and we'll get you in the door for free. We'd be happy to have you join us! Details follow below.


Kathy

Ring in 2013 with Capitol City Brewing Company
December 31, 2012 -
9:00 pm - 2:00 a.m.
Capitol City Brewing Company
4001 Campbell Avenue
Arlington, Virginia 22206
Maps/Directions | Website
Three – two – one…Happy New Year! Ring in the New Year at Capitol City Brewing Company. Capitol City’s Shirlington location will host an evening of entertainment with a scrumptious appetizer buffet from 9:00 p.m. – midnight for only $30. There will be a $10 door fee starting at 9:00 p.m. that includes a champagne toast at midnight, party favors and music spun by the highly celebrated DJ Julius.
For more information on Capitol City Brewing Company please visit: www.capcitybrew.com.
WHO: Capitol City Brewing Company
WHAT: New Year’s Eve Bash
DJ Spun Music and Dancing
Champagne Toast and Party Favors
Live NYE Countdown Coverage and Dinner Specials
WHEN: Monday, December 31
9:00 p.m. – 2:00 a.m.
COST: $10 Door Fee starting at 9:00 p.m. – Both Locations
$30 Appetizer Buffet from 9:00 p.m. – midnight (Shirlington Only)
WHERE: Village at Shirlington Downtown DC Location
4001 Campbell Avenue 1100 New York Avenue, NW
Arlington, VA 22206 Washington, DC 20005
(703) 578-3888 (202) 628-2222

crysb
12-30-2012, 10:41 PM
I won't be able to make the New Year's Eve party at Cap City, but sounds fun!

For those who want to grab New Year's pho the next day on Tuesday, January 1st (day #1 of competition!), we'll meet at 1pm at Caphe Banh Mi (http://www.yelp.com/biz/caphe-banh-mi-alexandria) near Old Town Alexandria. The place isn't very big, so we may have to wait for a little bit outside depending on the size of the group, but I called to confirm they're open. Hopefully a 1pm meeting time leaves plenty of people to sleep in that morning and maybe even a couple daylight hours to ride afterwards.

This is an invite extended to members of any team :)

ShawnoftheDread
12-30-2012, 11:25 PM
I agree in principle, but I fear we're all on the verge of overthinking this whole thing. But maybe Team1 can make a "no trainer" pledge, which doubtless will make our victory even sweeter.

I agree with this. It's not a big deal either way, really.

Subby
12-31-2012, 12:28 AM
I actually like to run to and from work some times, so if we are counting trainers, I am totally not feeling guilty about running. :D

(But actually willing to follow whatever guidelines Team FourCuattroPhoFUUUUUU wants me to follow).

Rod Smith
12-31-2012, 05:43 AM
Is too late to get in on the game? Do any teams need subs? -Laurie

http://app.strava.com/athletes/302448

Join team 11!

vvill
12-31-2012, 06:15 AM
I think we should start a Team 11 - if it doesn't fill up, no big deal. Having Laurie and Megabeth would be a formidable duo to begin with anyway.




I don't have an issue with trainer rides since this is just a fun comp. If they're included it will probably be motivation enough to actually get on my trainer.

(If it were a serious comp and trainer rides were supposed to be an equivalent "suffering" to riding in the winter, I would consider scoring it based on time rather than distance since distance is not a reliable measure across trainers, assuming time data is available. Say, 15 mins to get the base score and then every additional 10 mins is 1 point, or something like that. And perhaps capping the number of points available from a single day's trainer rides.)

vvill
12-31-2012, 06:20 AM
I would *so* be up for Pho on Jan 1, but usually when I eat pho I eat so much that my stomach feels like its going to burst right after. I don't know if always ordering a large pho with 2 or 3 kinds of meat is the problem or what, but its pretty much every time. I don't ever even feel that full after a Thanksgiving meal. Sorry, just wanted to make it clear just how incapacitating a good pho meal can be for me. So, anyways, that sounds like a really bad idea for a time to ride a bicycle.

Ahhhhh....I see, this invitation is sabotage - lure the unsuspecting participants from other teams in and then POW, disable them with pho. Well played, sir. Well played.

Nice. Maybe we can have officially sanctioned bonus point event days. Those willing to participate go to eat pho, visit a brewery, etc. and then ride x miles afterwards for a certain % point bonus on those days.

Arlingtonrider
12-31-2012, 08:06 AM
Deleted. Was just musing about whether unclaimed spots on existing teams might be filled before starting a new team.

GuyContinental
12-31-2012, 08:15 AM
Sorry Ochos, I'm out of the country (lounging on a beach, logging swims)- just joined the team but won't be riding until week 2... Hans will represent for me, I'm sure...

GuyContinental
12-31-2012, 08:20 AM
On trainers- I'm all for them, provided that they are set up outside ;-)

Mikey
12-31-2012, 08:22 AM
How about this for a trainer compromise? Trainer miles count 1point per mile, but no 10 point daily bonus unless you actually get outside on the bike.

americancyclo
12-31-2012, 08:40 AM
Nice. Maybe we can have officially sanctioned bonus point event days. Those willing to participate go to eat pho, visit a brewery, etc. and then ride x miles afterwards for a certain % point bonus on those days.
Belly busters!

on the scoreboard: awesome work!
on trainers: bleh.

ShawnoftheDread
12-31-2012, 08:53 AM
Nice. Maybe we can have officially sanctioned bonus point event days. Those willing to participate go to eat pho, visit a brewery, etc. and then ride x miles afterwards for a certain % point bonus on those days.

No need for a bonus - it already counts as a ride. How is a funride with food worth more than a solo slog?

DCAKen
12-31-2012, 09:54 AM
Sorry Ochos, I'm out of the country (lounging on a beach, logging swims)- just joined the team but won't be riding until week 2... Hans will represent for me, I'm sure...

Enjoy the warmth! But that will make the shock of winter riding even more severe.

birddog
12-31-2012, 02:02 PM
Hey - I just updated my strava account with some 'activities'.

I'm looking forward to joining in. Could you put me on a team please?

http://app.strava.com/athletes/1416363

ronwalf
12-31-2012, 02:27 PM
I'm looking forward to joining in. Could you put me on a team please?

Kyzer! Team II for you! (http://app.strava.com/clubs/19345)
Go to the link and hit 'join', wait 15 minutes, and then go look at your team's score (http://www.cs.umd.edu/~ronwalf/2013/freezing-saddles/).

birddog
12-31-2012, 02:29 PM
Awesome! Thanks - I'll check it later this afternoon.

ronwalf
12-31-2012, 02:31 PM
The team name is Team 1 unless we come up with something better. Any suggestions?

"Freezing Saddles: In the end, there can be only Team 1"

rcannon100
12-31-2012, 03:58 PM
The original game that we had consensus on had the following scoring rule:

Scoring: Riders will receive 10 points for each day and 1 point for each mile ridden. Minimum ride is 1 mile. The tribe's score will be the sum of the tribe members.

If you are outside and you are riding (ergo the name), it scores, as long as it is longer than a mile (no riding down the driveway). The 10 points per day bump favors daily riding (commuters).

If we are talking about indoor stationary trainers.... no, that is not part of this game. It's not outside in the cold. It doesnt move and therefore doesnt meet the one mile minimum. The whole purpose to Freezing Saddles was to create a game to encourage us to keep commuting through the winter months. The fact that on some days we will be confronted with snow and ice is the point of the game, not an excuse to allow indoor stationary trainers.

Scores for special rides or special days: This was discussed and rejected. It was decided that the 10 points bonus per day was sufficient. For example, during a blizzard - instead of a blizzard bonus - the mere fact that you are in the saddle and rode at least one mile gives you 11 points when very few people will be in the saddle.

The game is structured like the Natl Bike Challenge to favor and encourage daily commuters. This seems like an excellent idea in the depths of the darkness and cold that is winter.

ejwillis62
12-31-2012, 07:46 PM
I am ready "team six" has anyone come up with a clever name.
We need to talk some trash. To make the victory all the sweeter. Then
We need to plan a happy hour or something.

Amalitza
12-31-2012, 07:54 PM
Can I get a clarification on the one mile minimum? Is that one mile per ride, or one mile per day? If one were to make two separate trips of a half mile each in the same day, would they get their 10 points for the day or not?

(asks the person with a 7-11 right at a half mile round trip from home)

Rod Smith
12-31-2012, 08:00 PM
Can I get a clarification on the one mile minimum? Is that one mile per ride, or one mile per day? If one were to make two separate trips of a half mile each in the same day, would they get their 10 points for the day or not?

(asks the person with a 7-11 right at a half mile round trip from home)

Don't sweat the small stuff. You're on Team Ten. Yes of course it counts!

ronwalf
12-31-2012, 08:32 PM
Can I get a clarification on the one mile minimum? Is that one mile per ride, or one mile per day?

I took a liberal interpretation when implementing the scoring rules - you get your daily points if your daily mileage is 1 mile or more.

ronwalf
12-31-2012, 08:43 PM
If we are talking about indoor stationary trainers.... no, that is not part of this game.

Ok - then I misinterpreted this post (http://bikearlingtonforum.com/showthread.php?3500-Freezing-Saddles-Winter-Bike-Challenge-(sign-up-open)&p=38913#post38913).
If we exclude certain types of Strava activities, we need some way to implement the rule. Pretty much the only way to do this is to put something in the activity name. So here's a proposal to (a) except, (b) reject, or (c) amend:

Excluded activities: If you post an activity to Strava during the competition period which is not an outdoor bike ride, then it should have the string "#NoBAFS" in the activity name.

DismalScientist
12-31-2012, 08:48 PM
(asks the person with a 7-11 right at a half mile round trip from home)

I have a similar situation. I figure I'm going to get my 11 points on my coffee run to 7-11 by augmenting mileage by doing donuts on TwoWheelDC's front lawn to test out my studded tires.:rolleyes:

TwoWheelsDC
12-31-2012, 11:49 PM
I have a similar situation. I figure I'm going to get my 11 points on my coffee run to 7-11 by augmenting mileage by doing donuts on TwoWheelDC's front lawn to test out my studded tires.:rolleyes:

I have an endless supply of dog poop, paper bags, and matches...just sayin'

hozn
01-01-2013, 07:55 AM
Sorry Ochos, I'm out of the country (lounging on a beach, logging swims)- just joined the team but won't be riding until week 2... Hans will represent for me, I'm sure...

Yeah, I'll ride at least a small section of your commute before you return. I had my alarm all set for 5:45 to [hopefully] KOM the new year's day morning riding, but I made an executive decision around 4am that this was a horrible idea. We're off to a slow start, I'm afraid :)

Enjoy the beach!

ronwalf
01-01-2013, 09:02 AM
If you notice, vvill kicked off Freezing Saddles early with a ride in Sydney, Australia (http://app.strava.com/activities/35026771), giving him 15 extra hours (he's gonna end it in Hawaii, naturally). Totally cheap, vvill, totally cheap :)

hozn
01-01-2013, 09:07 AM
If you notice, vvill kicked off Freezing Saddles early with a ride in Sydney, Australia (http://app.strava.com/activities/35026771), giving him 15 extra hours (he's gonna end it in Hawaii, naturally). Totally cheap, vvill, totally cheap :)

That is awesome, and a serious throw-down start to the competition. I had no hope of the morning KOM, it turns out :)

ejwillis62
01-01-2013, 01:58 PM
I walked a five k this morning but cannot miss out on points and get a zero for the day so I am going out for a quick ride.

mwhatley
01-01-2013, 02:32 PM
Logged a few miles on the bike today (Lets go Team 1!) and was thinking - is there a page with an overall leaderboard that shows every team's scores? If not, thats totally cool but would be a "nice to have".

Happy New Years everyone!

ronwalf
01-01-2013, 02:36 PM
Logged a few miles on the bike today (Lets go Team 1!) and was thinking - is there a page with an overall leaderboard that shows every team's scores? If not, thats totally cool but would be a "nice to have".
Do you mean this (http://www.cs.umd.edu/~ronwalf/2013/freezing-saddles/)?

KayakCyndi
01-01-2013, 03:14 PM
I've got that scoreboard bookmarked now and am compulsively checking it! Go team 10! As of now we are in third. Hope Rod is going on a nice long ride .....

Amalitza
01-01-2013, 03:28 PM
Hope Rod is going on a nice long ride .....

No worries. He left me at the turn off from mvt to my house. He still had to turn around and ride back home (15 miles? we met at gravelly and had each done about 8, so that seems about right), and said something about still more after that running errands... My legs are done for the day, but he was nice enough to not leave me eating dust somewhere along the way. We refueled on pho just before he dropped me on my way home, so he should have plenty of energy for more miles (thanks, team 4!).

Justin Antos
01-01-2013, 03:53 PM
Great seeing and meeting so many of you out there today - think I managed to ride with Mr. T in DC, BicycleBug, Crystal B, Arlington Rider, Greenbelt, Rod Smith, Rudi, and Bilsko. Good way to start off the competition!

Also, EJWillis62 if you commute up from the bridge to Oxon Hill Rd, I am seriously impressed! Rode it for the first time today - it's a heck of a climb.

ejwillis62
01-01-2013, 04:09 PM
I do it is wicked hill. Tomorrow I will have my husband drive me in then I will ride home.
17 miles of fun. :)

crysb
01-01-2013, 04:20 PM
No worries. He left me at the turn off from mvt to my house. He still had to turn around and ride back home (15 miles? we met at gravelly and had each done about 8, so that seems about right), and said something about still more after that running errands... My legs are done for the day, but he was nice enough to not leave me eating dust somewhere along the way. We refueled on pho just before he dropped me on my way home, so he should have plenty of energy for more miles (thanks, team 4!).

Sorry I got there late and only got to say hi briefly! I misjudged how long it would take me to get from Hains to Old Town. I think the next event should be something like a happy hour, where it's easier to come and go as you please (hint to anyone who might want to put one together).

It was nice riding with everyone at Hains. Good showing from the forum folks!

Rod Smith
01-01-2013, 05:59 PM
Fun day. That Pho soup hit the spot, good call. It was nice to ride with some of you and to meet some of you.

Mikey
01-01-2013, 06:26 PM
Help... Where is the leader board again?

Rod Smith
01-01-2013, 06:42 PM
http://www.cs.umd.edu/~ronwalf/2013/freezing-saddles/

consularrider
01-01-2013, 07:33 PM
Didn't see anyone at the Pho at 3:45, oh well.

Rod Smith
01-01-2013, 08:04 PM
Didn't see anyone at the Pho at 3:45, oh well.

What took ya so long?

Arlingtonrider
01-01-2013, 08:37 PM
Great to see so many friends at Hains Point today and meet some new ones! Sorry I missed seeing you and meeting your trailer passenger, RCannon100!

It's a good thing, though, that I didn't try to go for Pho. I noticed just shortly CrystalB left that the bike felt a little sluggish, and then that my front tire was gradually flattening out and losing air. I had noticed cracks in the sides of the tires the evening before the HP100, and got confirmation today that the inexpensive tires I had bought about 3000 miles ago were shot. Luckily, REI was able to install some Gatorskins for me right away. Ready to roll again. :). I even was able to make it to my friend's afternoon party on time.

Happy New Year everyone!

consularrider
01-01-2013, 09:30 PM
What took ya so long?
21 laps of East Potomac Park, and then some other riding. ;)

Rod Smith
01-01-2013, 09:32 PM
Oh another century? :rolleyes:

rcannon100
01-01-2013, 10:28 PM
I think I have seen two late birds wanting to get on board.

The goal was to create ten teams with a handicap of 567.

Two teams (8 & 10) are at full compliment and are on the handicap.

All other teams are currently missing people. Team 2 and 3 are the hardiest hit. They are off the handicap by -153 and -161.

TEAMS HANDICAPS BASED ON AVERAGE NOVEMBER MILES AND DAYS RIDDEN - REFLECTING HOW FAR OFF 567 HANDICAP TEAM IS AS RESULT OF THEIR MISSING PLAYER:

TEAM 1: -36.8
TEAM 2: -152.8
TEAM 3: -160.8
TEAM 4: -62.8
TEAM 5: -72.8
TEAM 6: -52.8
TEAM 7: -88.8
TEAM 8: 2.1
TEAM 9: -87.8
TEAM 10: 1.1

PROPOSAL: Add the late sign ups to the teams that need points, removing the team members who did not sign up (if those people ever show up, they can be added to another team or on the infamous team 11). Adding additional team members should not put the team handicap over 567.

Mikey
01-01-2013, 10:35 PM
I ain't no statistitian but one point doth not a trend make. Especially when that one day was a non-commuter day. Give it time all will correct it self.

rcannon100
01-01-2013, 10:40 PM
Quote Originally Posted by acl View Post
Can I get a clarification on the one mile minimum? Is that one mile per ride, or one mile per day? If one were to make two separate trips of a half mile each in the same day, would they get their 10 points for the day or not?

(asks the person with a 7-11 right at a half mile round trip from home)


Don't sweat the small stuff. You're on Team Ten. Yes of course it counts!

The goal of the rule is to exclude getting on your bike in your driveway, riding to the mailbox, and claiming that as a ride (unless you have a very very long driveway). Ya have to actually go for a ride. Seems like the aforementioned 1/2 mile ride to coffee places the aforementioned participant on a caffeinated gold mine. (dont sweat the small stuff. If you are riding and you are freezing, be happy - daily total > 1 counts )!


Ok - then I misinterpreted this post (http://bikearlingtonforum.com/showthread.php?3500-Freezing-Saddles-Winter-Bike-Challenge-(sign-up-open)&p=38913#post38913).
If we exclude certain types of Strava activities, we need some way to implement the rule. Pretty much the only way to do this is to put something in the activity name. So here's a proposal to (a) except, (b) reject, or (c) amend:

Excluded activities: If you post an activity to Strava during the competition period which is not an outdoor bike ride, then it should have the string "#NoBAFS" in the activity name.

I think the confusion was my fault.

On the leaderboard page, on the top, is it possible to write out any said instructions to remind people?

KelOnWheels
01-01-2013, 10:49 PM
Go Team FourCuatroPho! :D

I didn't make it out to Pains Hoint this morning (although I did a couple of laps this afternoon and watched the people on road bikes leave me far far faaaaaaar behind ;) ) but I had a great time eating pho and riding with crysb and acl and Dismal Scientist later on!

rcannon100
01-01-2013, 11:03 PM
I ain't no statistitian but one point doth not a trend make. Especially when that one day was a non-commuter day. Give it time all will correct it self.

Er, I am not being articulate enough. This had nothing to do with today's score (although the teams in question are in 8th and 10th place). This is just team's handicaps based on their reported weekly averages from november and december. Remember, the goal was to create ten teams were the handicap score was almost the same. That way all teams should be competitive.

The problem is that some of the riders have just not shown up. I assumed when I said "provide me your strava user ID," people would. Well, people didnt and now we have a number of people who cannot be found.

On team 2, that one missing person accounted for 150 of that teams handicap score. On team three, the missing person accounts for 160 points. The average rider's handicap was 120 points. So team 2 and 3 are missing a rider who accounted for an above average portion of that teams handicap.

We also have people who want to join, whose individual handicaps are ~110. So replacing a no show with a late comer might make the game more fun.

Does that make sense.

Arlingtonrider
01-01-2013, 11:18 PM
I like rcannon100's idea for substitution team members, but I think we should set a day certain (this Friday?) by which people will need to have signed on or be dropped from their current teams. If they show up later, as mentioned, they could be on a team 11 or 12.

I don't agree that this will take care of itself, because some of the MIAs are totally unknown to us and cannot be found on the forum, strava, or anywhere else.

rnapiza
01-02-2013, 06:14 AM
Ok - then I misinterpreted this post (http://bikearlingtonforum.com/showthread.php?3500-Freezing-Saddles-Winter-Bike-Challenge-(sign-up-open)&p=38913#post38913).
If we exclude certain types of Strava activities, we need some way to implement the rule. Pretty much the only way to do this is to put something in the activity name. So here's a proposal to (a) except, (b) reject, or (c) amend:

Excluded activities: If you post an activity to Strava during the competition period which is not an outdoor bike ride, then it should have the string "#NoBAFS" in the activity name.

doh…so i got a trainer for christmas, and haven't been out riding much…
I saw that my trainer ride yesterday put me up on the leaderboard with 20 points. (10 for mileage+10 bonus).
I'll start throwing in "#NoBAFS" to my trainer runs…
I start a new job on monday which is closer to home, so I expect that once I get settled in, I'll start bike commuting.

eminva
01-02-2013, 06:28 AM
PROPOSAL: Add the late sign ups to the teams that need points, removing the team members who did not sign up (if those people ever show up, they can be added to another team or on the infamous team 11). Adding additional team members should not put the team handicap over 567.

Yes, you should do this. I think it would be more fun if Megabeth were on a different team than Blacknell, so I say put her on Two and Laurie on Three. Although do whatever is best statistically speaking, of course.

Liz

Bilsko
01-02-2013, 08:30 AM
+1 on rcannon's proposal. Slot the latecomers on teams with the deficits and sort the rest later.

Certifried
01-02-2013, 08:58 AM
I don't know if this is a "premium" member only thing, but you can make rides "private". So that no one can see them. People doing trainer rides could, in addition to marking their ride with the aforementioned tag, set the ride to private.

Also, I can't even being to imagine how chaotic this all is for Rcannon and Ronwalf. I'm sure you all don't want to hear 1,000,000,000 thank yous, but seriously, THANK YOU! I owe you both a beer (let the evil trend start! Maybe we can keep these 2 too drunk to ride LOL)

DCAKen
01-02-2013, 10:21 AM
http://www.cs.umd.edu/~ronwalf/2013/freezing-saddles/

Can this be added to the first post in this thread so you won't have to keep posting it?

rcannon100
01-02-2013, 10:25 AM
Can this be added to the first post in this thread so you won't have to keep posting it?

Done

Greenbelt
01-02-2013, 11:12 AM
TEAM 9
Steve O
jopamora
Justin Antos (Strava 1473093)
http://app.strava.com/athletes/488016 (captain)

Paging Steve O -- where are you?

If you're still on, please sign up for team nine before those Crit in the Pants guys run (get it?) away with this thing -- we need your miles, man!

http://app.strava.com/clubs/team-9-freezing-saddles

TwoWheelsDC
01-02-2013, 11:32 AM
I don't put my rides in Strava until I get home in the PM, so Team1's points totals likely will be lower than others during the day.

ShawnoftheDread
01-02-2013, 11:35 AM
I don't put my rides in Strava until I get home in the PM, so Team1's points totals likely will be lower than others during the day.

Overnight sneak attack! Team #1 rules.

PeteD
01-02-2013, 11:40 AM
So instead of hopping in the car to go get more coffee from the store, Freezing Saddles (Go Team II) got me on my bike for my ~2.5 mile round trip. Success!

Mikey
01-02-2013, 11:47 AM
Er, I am not being articulate enough. This had nothing to do with today's score (although the teams in question are in 8th and 10th place). This is just team's handicaps based on their reported weekly averages from november and december. Remember, the goal was to create ten teams were the handicap score was almost the same. That way all teams should be competitive.

The problem is that some of the riders have just not shown up. I assumed when I said "provide me your strava user ID," people would. Well, people didnt and now we have a number of people who cannot be found.

On team 2, that one missing person accounted for 150 of that teams handicap score. On team three, the missing person accounts for 160 points. The average rider's handicap was 120 points. So team 2 and 3 are missing a rider who accounted for an above average portion of that teams handicap.

We also have people who want to join, whose individual handicaps are ~110. So replacing a no show with a late comer might make the game more fun.

Does that make sense.

It does. I think you could pick a date say, the 7th ( a full week after start) to have people report in, then start substitutions. Also can these people be reached by Private Message? Can a big bold message be put up on the leaderboard saying "If you don't see your name here you are risking being dropped from the competetition. Please contact XXX to fix this.?

I would hate for people to be on the outside looking in, and not every seat taken.

KelOnWheels
01-02-2013, 12:16 PM
Also, I can't even being to imagine how chaotic this all is for Rcannon and Ronwalf. I'm sure you all don't want to hear 1,000,000,000 thank yous, but seriously, THANK YOU! I owe you both a beer (let the evil trend start! Maybe we can keep these 2 too drunk to ride LOL)

This! Chapeaux, gentlepersons.

vtben
01-02-2013, 12:20 PM
It's interesting to see how the Strava API handles rounding for miles ridden. So far I only have 1 ride logged and my 4.9 mile commute only clocks in at 4 miles on the score page. I guess I need to tack on an extra lap around the block before pulling into work!

eminva
01-02-2013, 12:29 PM
I don't put my rides in Strava until I get home in the PM, so Team1's points totals likely will be lower than others during the day.

I am in the same boat, so same goes for Team FourCuatroPho.

Sorry I missed the pho outing. Stopped by at 1 pm with the husband and kid, but the restaurant was pretty crowded. It smelled great, though! It was nice to meet two riders from Team 10.

Also, I sent a PM to the missing person from FourCuatroPho, but got no response. I don't have any other contact info.

Liz

Tim Kelley
01-02-2013, 12:35 PM
Also, I sent a PM to the missing person from FourCuatroPho, but got no response. I don't have any other contact info.

I can look up email addresses if captains need to track down missing forum people.

Steve
01-02-2013, 01:08 PM
It's interesting to see how the Strava API handles rounding for miles ridden. So far I only have 1 ride logged and my 4.9 mile commute only clocks in at 4 miles on the score page. I guess I need to tack on an extra lap around the block before pulling into work!

I noticed this too. Does anyone (Ron) know if the mileage is the addition of each ride after rounded, or the total mileage to the tenth (the way strava calculates)? To be clear, what i mean is if benbhsu now goes out and rides 5.1 miles, will his total be a) 4.9+5.1=10 or b) 4+5=9?

Certifried
01-02-2013, 01:18 PM
I noticed this too. Does anyone (Ron) know if the mileage is the addition of each ride after rounded, or the total mileage to the tenth (the way strava calculates)? To be clear, what i mean is if benbhsu now goes out and rides 5.1 miles, will his total be a) 4.9+5.1=10 or b) 4+5=9?

The code is available.

Being a Linux engineer, and having built my career around open source, I want to (again) thank Ron for his work! Especially making it all open.

https://github.com/ronwalf/ba-winter-challenge/blob/master/src/Scoring.hs

Unfortunately, I'm not a programmer, so can't figure out the answer to your question, nor can I add code to subtract any miles ridden by Strava athlete 136274.

hozn
01-02-2013, 02:02 PM
It does. I think you could pick a date say, the 7th ( a full week after start) to have people report in, then start substitutions. Also can these people be reached by Private Message? Can a big bold message be put up on the leaderboard saying "If you don't see your name here you are risking being dropped from the competetition. Please contact XXX to fix this.?

I would hate for people to be on the outside looking in, and not every seat taken.

I think it would make sense to replacing people on the teams immediately if they have not checked in by now (i.e. the start of the competition) and didn't bother to provide valid Strava user names. I don't think this original request was either unclear or difficult :-)

Or, probably best, just ask the other members of these teams if they want to wait; they are, after all, the ones that will have to dig out of the deficit.

hozn
01-02-2013, 02:11 PM
The code is available.

Being a Linux engineer, and having built my career around open source, I want to (again) thank Ron for his work! Especially making it all open.

https://github.com/ronwalf/ba-winter-challenge/blob/master/src/Scoring.hs

Unfortunately, I'm not a programmer, so can't figure out the answer to your question, nor can I add code to subtract any miles ridden by Strava athlete 136274.

OMG - it's in Haskell. That's awesome.

I know about as much about Haskell as I do about heaven, but the last couple lines of this block appear to explain the "flooring" and cast to int:



renderScores scores = ol $ do
mapM_ row $ reverse $ sort scores
where
row us = li $ do
a ! href (toValue $ "http://app.strava.com/athletes/" ++ (show $ uid us)) $ toHtml $ name us
_ <- ": "
td $ toHtml $ userScore us
_ <- " points ("
toHtml (days us)
_ <- " days, "
toHtml (floor $ miles us :: Int)
" miles)"


That said, that looks like it's just for display, so it's possible the full values are being stored (?) I'm sure rcannon can illuminate.

I too build my work life around open-source software; I love that this is open-source.

Steve O
01-02-2013, 02:30 PM
Sorry I didn't join til today. Was away visiting grandma for New Years.
I like Bollard Busters. Is it too late to change our name?
Steve

Greenbelt
01-02-2013, 02:37 PM
Sorry I didn't join til today. Was away visiting grandma for New Years.
I like Bollard Busters. Is it too late to change our name?
Steve

Done. Plus bonus icon
2203

Subby
01-02-2013, 02:42 PM
I am sure I will find out shortly, but I assume the kickass leaderboard will figure out that my ride home should only be credited the miles and not another 10 points for the trip home. Is that correct?

eminva
01-02-2013, 02:51 PM
I can look up email addresses if captains need to track down missing forum people.

Do people think that would be okay? I don't want to be too stalkerish.

Looks like our deficit is not terrible, but no one wants to surrender a deficit off the top.

Liz

vtben
01-02-2013, 03:17 PM
OMG - it's in Haskell. That's awesome.

I know about as much about Haskell as I do about heaven, but the last couple lines of this block appear to explain the "flooring" and cast to int:



renderScores scores = ol $ do
mapM_ row $ reverse $ sort scores
where
row us = li $ do
a ! href (toValue $ "http://app.strava.com/athletes/" ++ (show $ uid us)) $ toHtml $ name us
_ <- ": "
td $ toHtml $ userScore us
_ <- " points ("
toHtml (days us)
_ <- " days, "
toHtml (floor $ miles us :: Int)
" miles)"


That said, that looks like it's just for display, so it's possible the full values are being stored (?) I'm sure rcannon can illuminate.

I too build my work life around open-source software; I love that this is open-source.
It looks like he's also flooring when calculating the score itself:

userScore score = 10 * days score + floor (miles score)
But it also looks like if you were to do two rides in a single day, say 4.9mi and 1.1mi, it would be scored "correctly" as 6mi. If you were to do those same rides on separate days, they would be scored as 4mi and 1mi respectively. I'm not 100% sure about my interpretation of the code, so I'd be interested in hearing from the author.
Ben

ejwillis62
01-02-2013, 03:17 PM
I am heading home, Team 6, I am already cold so I it is a good thing we have a challenge going or I would be calling my husband and whining for him to come pick up me and my bike. Did I tell you all, I HATE WINTER....but I hate losing more so off I go. 17 mile commute home here I come.....

DismalScientist
01-02-2013, 03:33 PM
I am sure I will find out shortly, but I assume the kickass leaderboard will figure out that my ride home should only be credited the miles and not another 10 points for the trip home. Is that correct?
This depends if you stay overnight at work.

ronwalf
01-02-2013, 07:00 PM
But it also looks like if you were to do two rides in a single day, say 4.9mi and 1.1mi

Yes, this is correct. I keep track of days ridden and total miles separately, then calculate the score when it comes time to display. The rides can even be over separate days - so with the given mileage over two days you'd have 26 points.

In theory, you could ride .9999 miles for all 80 days of the competition to get a total of 79 points (and never get the daily bonus).

KLizotte
01-02-2013, 08:30 PM
I am heading home, Team 6, I am already cold so I it is a good thing we have a challenge going or I would be calling my husband and whining for him to come pick up me and my bike. Did I tell you all, I HATE WINTER....but I hate losing more so off I go. 17 mile commute home here I come.....

ejwillis62 claims to be an "old lady" who is new to all of this biking stuff but I suspect we've got a RINGER on our hands!

All right, so who's gonna take out the chick on the purple bike?

ejwillis62
01-02-2013, 08:44 PM
Felt like I was riding in mud today and tonight my thighs are complaining but I will be out there tomorrow just
Probably a bit slower. After all not as hard as a marathon.. I just hope there are these "Happy hours" I have heard about.

Greenbelt
01-02-2013, 08:52 PM
Awesome -- Will Lynn has three days on Jan. 2. However, he's riding in Australia, so it's already Jan 3 there! Plus it's summer!

Certifried
01-02-2013, 08:54 PM
plus it's summer!

disqualified!!

ejwillis62
01-02-2013, 09:00 PM
I know what the heck is the temp there not freezing like here.
Thought my thumbs were going to freeze. Although I swear I saw someone in
Shorts.

ronwalf
01-02-2013, 09:34 PM
Awesome -- Will Lynn has three days on Jan. 2. However, he's riding in Australia, so it's already Jan 3 there! Plus it's summer!
VVIIIIIIILLLLLLL! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54)

rcannon100
01-02-2013, 09:41 PM
Last Call: It looks like we are close to consensus on this. I put this out as a last call for comments. If this is stable, I will put this in effect tomorrow and will activate a late sign up form.

Captains: Please confirm these people are still missing.

Ron: I assume if these people have shown up, they would show up on the scoreboard.

Prob: Some people, when they signed up, did not provide a STRAVA user name as requested. Captains are now having difficult finding them. The teams were announced on Dec. 27, a week ago, giving the missing people plenty of time to show up.

Freezing Saddles is a handicap game, where each team is suppose to start with an equal handicap: 567 (handicap based on november and december average weekly mileage and average days per week ridden). Since some team members are missing, that has significantly effected the handicaps of those respective teams (as noted previously).

Solution: Allow late sign ups to be substituted for absent team members, where the individual handicap of the late sign up does not put the team handicap over 570. (For example, if a team is currently -160 off the average handicap, that team could add a player whose individual handicap does not exceed 160).

Missing people have had a week to show up, and they did fail to provide a valid user name. Therefore, a late sign up will be turned on Thursday, and late sign ups will start being added on Sunday. Late sign ups will be assigned to teams with the greatest deficit first (the late sign up with the largest handicap will be assigned to the team with the greatest deficit). Late sign ups can continue being added to the game as long as teams have deficits and assigning the late sign ups does not cause the team handicap to exceed 570.

The reason for this timing is so that I can do the administrative backend stuff during the weekend and not the work week.

Missing people will remain on teams until they are replaced. If missing people appear, they can be assigned to a team as a late sign up.

ShawnoftheDread
01-02-2013, 10:06 PM
Awesome -- Will Lynn has three days on Jan. 2. However, he's riding in Australia, so it's already Jan 3 there! Plus it's summer!

Come back from the future, vvill! You're really messing with our sh**!

ronwalf
01-02-2013, 10:15 PM
Ron: I assume if these people have shown up, they would show up on the scoreboard.

Yes, they show up about 15 minutes after they join their team.

For everyone:
I changed the scoreboard so that it ignores any activity with "#NoBAFS" in the title, so please stick that in the name of any activity which isn't an outdoor bike ride. The scoreboard (http://www.cs.umd.edu/~ronwalf/2013/freezing-saddles/) has instructions on this, in case you forget.

PeteD
01-02-2013, 10:23 PM
VVIIIIIIILLLLLLL! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54)
VIIILLLLLLL! (http://khaaan.com/)

rcannon100
01-03-2013, 07:56 AM
Freezing Saddles Late Sign Up (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFBxZUdnZEZuZ2NNbndBc0hhUTZGTlE6M Q#gid=0)

FAQ: All miles and days ridden since Jan. 1 will score.

Megabeth
01-03-2013, 08:45 AM
Put me in coach, I'm ready to play. Thanks for possibility of joining via late sign-up. Hope I can do whatever team I get put on proud.

Mikey
01-03-2013, 09:09 AM
Put me in coach, I'm ready to play. Thanks for possibility of joining via late sign-up. Hope I can do whatever team I get put on proud.

I'm seriously considering tanking this week's results to get Megabeth on our team ;) Nah I'm far too competative for that.

Megabeth
01-03-2013, 09:20 AM
Also, full disclosure, I didn't ride on New Year's Day, so I'm already down those daily points...

Tim Kelley
01-03-2013, 09:28 AM
Also, full disclosure, I didn't ride on New Year's Day, so I'm already down those daily points...

But you could have come out and ridden a route that looks like a rifle pointed directly at DaveK's house! (http://app.strava.com/activities/35188275)

Mikey
01-03-2013, 09:32 AM
I took a long ride this mornign which gave me more time to think. I came up with a proposal for the end of winter 10-team tournament and thought I would post to start the discussion since this contest was built around consensis:

Proposed rules for 10-team March Madness Tournament (version 1)

1. 10 teams - all teams get to participate, i.e. no teams on the bubble.
2. modified 8-team single elimination tourney. Each "game" in the tournament will be a head to head match up of two seeded teams (1 to 10) or 3 seeded teams (for first round only) each team recording miles over a weeks's time and battle head to head. Winner of head-to head (or head-to-head-to-head) matchups advances to next round. Losers are out of the tournament and commense trash talking other losers.
3. Seeding as follows: positions 1 through 10 according to total points at 6:00pm Sunday March 17th.
First Round: (March 18th-24th)
1 vs 8 vs 10
4 vs 5
3 vs 6
2 vs 7 vs 9

Final Four: (March 25th - 31st)
Winner [1-8-10] vs Winner [4-5]
Winner [3-6] vs Winner [2-7-9]

Championship Round: (April 1st - 7th)
Winner [1-8-10-4-5] vs Winner [3-6-2-7-9]

Overall champion announced 6:00 pm April 7th.

4. Matches. Same points scored as now (10 for each day, and 1 pt per mile each day). Total points from 12:01 am Monday morning through 6:00 pm Sunday evening will be counted for a team's score. This will allow the computer or scoring folks to tally results and post winners and new brackets. All rides must be entered by 6:00pm Sunday evening to be counted for the match score.

These times are proposed and arguements could be made to make them later or earlier.
I am not a computer guy but I figured some of you may have fun writing the code to put this thing together.
Any thoughts?