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Certifried
06-15-2012, 09:42 PM
Oh man, I just can't say enough about how amazing Clovis at Freshbikes was today. My bike feels 500000% better. I knew it was off, but not nearly as much as it was. 5cm too low on the seat! Needed a shorter stem, actually he suggested I need a 54cm bike instead of the 56 I'm on (the bike shop I bought it from actually had me try a 58 too!). I had even gone back to the particular bike shop I bought my bike from, and told them my saddle was hurting me. They said "looks fine, maybe you need a new one." It's really a disservice to people that some LBS don't even try to fit people. But that's for another thread.

KLizotte
06-15-2012, 09:48 PM
Am so glad the fitting has helped you. After a month or so you go back for a follow-up (if necessary).

Yes, I know there are some good LBSs out there but most seem to be staffed by people who don't know anything about fit and let/persuade people to buy bikes that are too big for them. Me, eminva, acc and now you have fallen victim to the ruse....

Hopefully the new stem and adjustments will make the bike fit you to a T. And if the saddle hurts (I think most of the stock saddles on new bikes are crap) check around online with saddle manufacturers. Most, if not all of them, let you try a saddle out and return it if it doesn't work out. I recommend Selle Italia and Specialized but my experience is limited in this department.

DaveK
06-16-2012, 12:07 AM
Oh man, I just can't say enough about how amazing Clovis at Freshbikes was today. My bike feels 500000% better. I knew it was off, but not nearly as much as it was. 5cm too low on the seat! Needed a shorter stem, actually he suggested I need a 54cm bike instead of the 56 I'm on (the bike shop I bought it from actually had me try a 58 too!). I had even gone back to the particular bike shop I bought my bike from, and told them my saddle was hurting me. They said "looks fine, maybe you need a new one." It's really a disservice to people that some LBS don't even try to fit people. But that's for another thread.

Just curious - height/inseam?

Certifried
06-16-2012, 12:12 AM
Yeah, we talked about going back in a month, and I'll definitely do that. He also told me to come back sooner if I had any issues. My ride home felt great! (other than pretty much running out of gas and having to jump Metro for a few miles LOL)

He did set me up with a new saddle, a specialized :) I had one of these on my old bike, and really liked it. Part of the fit was measuring my buttocks (ass) and the saddle I had was too small (or my ass is too big, take your pick) so I did buy a new one. I'm planning on putting some miles on this weekend, so I'll have a good idea of how it feels on longer rides

Certifried
06-16-2012, 10:49 AM
Just curious - height/inseam?

I'm 5'11 1/2" lol, so just shy of 6'. Inseam is ~41 or so I guess. Not only was my seat WAY off, but it was angled up too. Everyone down there, even the non-store people took a look at that seat and said "WTF?". Not being a bike fit expert, I just (mistakenly) assumed the LBS I purchased the bike from had it right, especially when I went back complaining of saddle problems. One guy actually asked me "do you like things up your ass?". After the shock wore off, I said "of course not". I should have really looked at the seat closer I guess, I had raised it 1/2" already on my own, but never really paid attention to the angle of it. Again, I assumed the LBS I bought from knew what they were doing, and now realize they could not have cared less. I don't want to "out" them since they really are nice people, but I just want to warn people that not all LBSs are the experts we newish folks expect them to be.

RESTONTODC
06-16-2012, 11:37 AM
Oh man, I just can't say enough about how amazing Clovis at Freshbikes was today. My bike feels 500000% better. I knew it was off, but not nearly as much as it was. 5cm too low on the seat! Needed a shorter stem, actually he suggested I need a 54cm bike instead of the 56 I'm on (the bike shop I bought it from actually had me try a 58 too!). I had even gone back to the particular bike shop I bought my bike from, and told them my saddle was hurting me. They said "looks fine, maybe you need a new one." It's really a disservice to people that some LBS don't even try to fit people. But that's for another thread.

He is great but not cheap unless you're buying a bike them. He was the sell point for me to buy a bike from Freshbikes. He would change out the right stem or handle bar for free. Otherwise, I would buy my bike online. He is always very busy on the weekend during summer. To get the most out of it, you should make an appointment in mid day during the week. His fitting could take hours. The best time to buy a bike is January because last year model is on sale and he has more time for you.

RESTONTODC
06-16-2012, 11:48 AM
I'm 5'11 1/2" lol, so just shy of 6'. Inseam is ~41 or so I guess. Not only was my seat WAY off, but it was angled up too.
Clovis also fits with your riding style The same measurement can't be applied to some else. Others with the same height can ride differently. That is the reason, he fitted the bike on a trainer with your biking shoe and pedal.

acc
06-16-2012, 07:13 PM
Truth and honesty first. I finally had my bike fitted by Clovis and it made a world of difference.

BUT---

I don't want people reading this thread to think their bike must fit perfectly or forget about riding. That's not true at all. Certainly if you commute to work, get your bike fitted, that's just commonsense. If you're spending an hour or more going back and forth to work, you deserve a ride that doesn't hurt.

There's a difference between a ridable bike and a custom fit. You'll know when you need your bike tweaked just so because you'll have an appreciation for an excellent ride. That appreciation develops over hours and hours spent in the saddle. And it is just fine to have a bike that's safe and in good working order that is not a perfect fit, but rides without major problems.

rcannon100
06-16-2012, 08:02 PM
There is a lot of information online about bike size, bike fit, and adjustments. Its good to research and it is good to learn how to adjust your bike. Seats, for example, adjust up/down, forward/back, and tilt. I am almost constantly making adjustments to my bike.

I am dubious of LBS experts. I have gone in and received great information; I have gone in and received information that was just crap. I have had LBS repair shops do so real um stupid things to my bikes. I always prefer to go in having done my homework. A lot of the information someone in a store will tell you is geared towards (surprise) getting you to spend more money and isnt based on anything scientific. A lot of equipment looks "cool" and "fast" but other more boring stuff is actually better.

And it is always good to know how to make these adjustments when you are 30 miles out on the C&O canal, or even 3 miles into a 7 mile commute. If you are pounding miles, you will be swapping worn out equipment on your bike on a regular basis, and making repairs and adjustments regularly.

The information on all this is pretty easy to find online.

KelOnWheels
06-28-2012, 02:42 PM
I had an epiphany today on the ride in - my seat is too low!

Explains why I can't figure out where to sit on it, because at its current height I need to practically be behind it to get full extension.

Soon to be falling over at a stoplight near you...

Now I just need to figure out why my left foot goes numb when I ride :p

dasgeh
06-28-2012, 02:59 PM
Riding in on the Custis, it seems like 80-90% of the people I see on bikes are sitting too low. Given, mine is a hair too low, but that's because it's an ebike, and I'm not riding hard, so I prefer stability while stopped over power.

Bilsko
06-28-2012, 03:43 PM
Ballpark amount for the fitting session? (Assuming just fitting, no bike purchase) Are we talking a hundred bucks expensive or two or three hundred?

KLizotte
06-28-2012, 04:15 PM
Ballpark amount for the fitting session? (Assuming just fitting, no bike purchase) Are we talking a hundred bucks expensive or two or three hundred?

At least $100. Most LBS websites list their prices for fitting sessions.

Certifried
06-28-2012, 04:31 PM
Ballpark amount for the fitting session? (Assuming just fitting, no bike purchase) Are we talking a hundred bucks expensive or two or three hundred?

http://freshbikescycling.com/index.php/popup/freshbikes-two-dimensional-road-bike-fit
^ That's the bike fitting I purchased, $150 since I didn't buy my bike there. They have a "3D" fit too. Interestingly enough, I wasn't sure which one I needed, I'm very much a casual cyclist so didn't feel I needed the 3D fit, on the other hand I have significant arthritis and knee (IT band) issues, so was willing to spend the $250 for the 3D fit if needed. Clovis felt the 2D fit would suffice, which simply left me more money to purchase parts :) I spent what I had budgeted, the 2D fit just gave me an extra $100 for parts. I was impressed that I wasn't pressured with an up-sell.

I bought a new saddle, I think that's probably inevitable unless you already bought one you know fits or got very lucky. I never knew that saddles had sizes! Clovis measured my ass and put me on a saddle that is amazingly comfortable, simply because my ischial tuberosity was in the right place on the saddle :) That was roughly $120ish

I also needed a shorter stem because my bike is too large :( I've always bought 56cm bikes, and was surprised to learn I should really be on a 54cm. I also needed some spacers for my pedals to move them in to the correct position to align my knees.

I've done a number or rides since, and can not stress how strongly I feel that people need to have properly fitting bikes. Not all of us know what angles and inches we need to be at. I can't just simply adjust my bike to where I should be, and I feel that $150 is a hell of a deal. It's such a cheap price to pay relative to how much more enjoyment I get out of my bike and how much it has relieved some of the little aches, pains, and numbness. The total cost was about $360, including parts I needed either way to make it fit, worth every penny.

Certifried
06-28-2012, 04:41 PM
Riding in on the Custis, it seems like 80-90% of the people I see on bikes are sitting too low. Given, mine is a hair too low, but that's because it's an ebike, and I'm not riding hard, so I prefer stability while stopped over power.

The aggravating thing to me was that I had complained about butt pain to my LBS where I purchased my bike. They looked it over and said it looked fine. The seat was not only at a horrible angle, putting excessive pressure on my pudendal nerve, but 5cm low (even after I'd already moved it up 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch.)

SteveTheTech
06-29-2012, 06:37 AM
Clovis is awesome, I cannot believe how many people here have been through his operation. :)
Good service is really hard to find, and IMO worth spending a little extra on.


There is a lot of information online about bike size, bike fit, and adjustments. Its good to research and it is good to learn how to adjust your bike. Seats, for example, adjust up/down, forward/back, and tilt. I am almost constantly making adjustments to my bike.

I am dubious of LBS experts. I have gone in and received great information; I have gone in and received information that was just crap. I have had LBS repair shops do so real um stupid things to my bikes. I always prefer to go in having done my homework. A lot of the information someone in a store will tell you is geared towards (surprise) getting you to spend more money and isnt based on anything scientific. A lot of equipment looks "cool" and "fast" but other more boring stuff is actually better.

And it is always good to know how to make these adjustments when you are 30 miles out on the C&O canal, or even 3 miles into a 7 mile commute. If you are pounding miles, you will be swapping worn out equipment on your bike on a regular basis, and making repairs and adjustments regularly.

The information on all this is pretty easy to find online.

I watched all of the Cobb cycling videos and read the Park Tool shop manual before asking for any help from the pros (this is after buying our first road bikes). I would love to be able to trust the people at my LBS but we all have to be educated consumers. There are guys who have been doing this forever and are awesome (Ron @ Wheel Nuts) because they are passionate about it. Then there's the guy who sold my wife her first road bike....fit her to a 56cm when Freshbikes put her on a 48....there was another that all but showed us the door if were not looking to drop $2k, which was a bit much when unsure if this hobby would stick.


Clovis felt the 2D fit would suffice, which simply left me more money to purchase parts :) I spent what I had budgeted, the 2D fit just gave me an extra $100 for parts. I was impressed that I wasn't pressured with an up-sell.

I bought a new saddle, I think that's probably inevitable unless you already bought one you know fits or got very lucky. I never knew that saddles had sizes! Clovis measured my ass and put me on a saddle that is amazingly comfortable, simply because my ischial tuberosity was in the right place on the saddle :) That was roughly $120ish

I also needed a shorter stem because my bike is too large :( I've always bought 56cm bikes, and was surprised to learn I should really be on a 54cm. I also needed some spacers for my pedals to move them in to the correct position to align my knees.

I've done a number or rides since, and can not stress how strongly I feel that people need to have properly fitting bikes. The total cost was about $360, including parts I needed either way to make it fit, worth every penny.

That is one thing many people don't consider when budgeting for a fitting. The FB prices on mid level components is just about on par with online averages (including shipping)and they toss in labor.Things like Specialized BG saddles and stems are harder to find online and seem to be price fixed, most of the shoes are about the same too. The mrs. fitting was about a hundred more than yours but she needed pedals and shoes too, but the saddle and stem made a complete difference in her fit too.

Stems and saddles have so many variables having the ability to swap parts during a fitting (or finding a store with a good return policy)it makes dialing in the saddle width or stem angle much easier.

I find it odd that we are the exact same height, same inseam and everything and I'm riding a 58!.
I was test fit at the same shop as the mrs. but bought on my own online so it is on me....wonder what Clovis would say about that. Ha


The aggravating thing to me was that I had complained about butt pain to my LBS where I purchased my bike. They looked it over and said it looked fine. The seat was not only at a horrible angle, putting excessive pressure on my pudendal nerve, but 5cm low (even after I'd already moved it up 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch.)

That is really odd, the nose being tilted is something you would think would be easy for them to pick up on...I bet we went to the same store.
When you were "fit" originally did they put you in a trainer with a block under the front tire? If the rear wheel was raised and they were trying to level the saddle, I can see getting it wrong if the actual angle is off..still not acceptable.

KelOnWheels
06-29-2012, 09:48 AM
Oh well that's exciting, Freshbikes have a basic commuter/flatbar bike fit (http://freshbikescycling.com/index.php/popup/freshbikes-flat-bar-amp-commuter-bike-basic-fit)! I could manage that for my old tanky bike :)

Need new bike. Need stronger back! Tired. Back hurts. Hate sitting down all day. Wahh.

Certifried
06-29-2012, 01:30 PM
Oh well that's exciting, Freshbikes have a basic commuter/flatbar bike fit (http://freshbikescycling.com/index.php/popup/freshbikes-flat-bar-amp-commuter-bike-basic-fit)! I could manage that for my old tanky bike :)

Need new bike. Need stronger back! Tired. Back hurts. Hate sitting down all day. Wahh.

I never saw that bike fit, but it sounds like it would probably have worked just fine for me. I think it would be great for you, especially if you're having back problems. I guess I just sort of expected to be somewhat uncomfortable on my bike, but I've come to realize that's a horrible assumption. The only thing that should hurt is my legs and lungs!

KelOnWheels
06-29-2012, 02:55 PM
Well mostly I need to ride more and not sit at a desk all day. Before March I was working on my feet all day and I was SO MUCH HAPPIER. :P

Certifried
06-30-2012, 09:17 PM
Well mostly I need to ride more and not sit at a desk all day. Before March I was working on my feet all day and I was SO MUCH HAPPIER. :P

I've worked on my feet and now my butt. I'd be happier if I could get a job on my back though

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