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dasgeh
03-18-2019, 11:07 AM
The 2019 Paving Map for Arlington County (https://arlingtonva.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/19/2019/03/PavingFinal_2019.pdf) is up. Repaving is a great time to improve bike infrastructure (and streets generally). We'll discuss at the April BAC meeting, but for now, if you have ideas on improvements for the segments set to be paved, put them here!

dasgeh
03-18-2019, 11:09 AM
I'll start: N Quincy in front of W-L HS should have protected bike lanes

Military Road north of Lee is far too wide -- narrow the road and provide good, continuous bike lanes (maybe protected - I'm actually not sure how many driveways we have there).

dasgeh
03-18-2019, 11:11 AM
7th St North west of Pershing should have a contraflow bike lane

scoot
03-18-2019, 12:29 PM
Extend the Wilson Blvd road diet west to the county line (McKinley).

scoot
03-18-2019, 12:30 PM
A PBL (well daylighted at the intersections) would make the Superman Hill climb much more comfortable (Walter Reed northbound from W&OD to Pollard).

scoot
03-18-2019, 12:33 PM
Clarendon "Circle":

It is unclear how much of this intersection the 2019 paving plan encompasses, but a painted bike lane through the intersection connecting eastbound Wilson into eastbound Clarendon would be really helpful. Especially for those cyclists who come from eastbound Fairfax and jump onto the sidewalk at Northside Social in order to do that awkward box turn to reach eastbound Clarendon Blvd. Eventually I hope to see a fully continuous bike lane on Wilson/Clarendon all the way from Seven Corners to Rosslyn; this would be an importance piece of that puzzle.

scoot
03-18-2019, 12:39 PM
Military Road north of Lee is far too wide -- narrow the road and provide good, continuous bike lanes (maybe protected - I'm actually not sure how many driveways we have there).

Given the terrain, perhaps climbing lanes (both directions leading away from Vacation Lane) and downhill sharrows (both directions toward Vacation Lane)?

Not sure why this street has a 30MPH speed limit, but it should be redesigned somehow to support 25 instead.

dasgeh
03-18-2019, 01:59 PM
Clarendon "Circle":

It is unclear how much of this intersection the 2019 paving plan encompasses, but a painted bike lane through the intersection connecting eastbound Wilson into eastbound Clarendon would be really helpful. Especially for those cyclists who come from eastbound Fairfax and jump onto the sidewalk at Northside Social in order to do that awkward box turn to reach eastbound Clarendon Blvd. Eventually I hope to see a fully continuous bike lane on Wilson/Clarendon all the way from Seven Corners to Rosslyn; this would be an importance piece of that puzzle.

There's an entire plan for Clarendon Circle!

https://projects.arlingtonva.us/projects/clarendon-circle/

dasgeh
03-18-2019, 02:05 PM
My complete list of streets to consider:

Little Falls
McKinley/Ohio
Patrick Henry
Wilson (west of "N Arlington Mill Drive")
N Park Drive
Lorcom
Military
Quincy
7th St N
N Highland St (south of Key Blvd)
Carlin Springs
5th Road South (connecting into FFX)
S Walter Reed, particularly up Superman Hill

semperiden
03-18-2019, 02:30 PM
Add a lane from South Glebe Rd from 4MR trail to S Walter Reed. Or at least from 24th Street to S Walter Reed.

Also, assess crosswalk safety at the ramps to 395. Even pedestrians have a hard time crossing there.

zsionakides
03-18-2019, 02:53 PM
A PBL (well daylighted at the intersections) would make the Superman Hill climb much more comfortable (Walter Reed northbound from W&OD to Pollard).

The width of a PBL would matter more here. A narrow PBL with the lost space from the gutter could be really hairy to ride up, maybe worse than the current conditions.

Ideally they would get ride of the median islands or the parking lane, then you could easily fit in a cycletrack or a shared used path in conjunction with the existing sidewalk up to Pollard.

zsionakides
03-18-2019, 03:04 PM
I'll start: N Quincy in front of W-L HS should have protected bike lanes

Military Road north of Lee is far too wide -- narrow the road and provide good, continuous bike lanes (maybe protected - I'm actually not sure how many driveways we have there).

Military Rd should definitely have PBLs even with the few driveways, and Lorcom Ln should put PBLs in strategically as well.

scoot
03-18-2019, 05:27 PM
The width of a PBL would matter more here. A narrow PBL with the lost space from the gutter could be really hairy to ride up, maybe worse than the current conditions. Ideally they would get ride of the median islands or the parking lane ...

If space is an issue, a road diet with median removal is a nice solution. I have never seen any traffic congestion going up that hill. As long as thru-vehicles can get around those who are waiting to make left turns, there is no need for a second thru lane. We could add the second vehicle lane in the downhill direction near the bottom of the hill to maintain southbound capacity through the signal at 4MR.


... then you could easily fit in a cycletrack or a shared used path in conjunction with the existing sidewalk up to Pollard.

I oppose converting this bike lane into any sort of two-way facility (e.g. a cycletrack or MUP). Adding high-speed downhill bicycles to the mix on that side of the road would be extremely dangerous.

scoot
03-18-2019, 05:31 PM
Add a lane from South Glebe Rd from 4MR trail to S Walter Reed. Or at least from 24th Street to S Walter Reed.

These would be great. But if I interpret the map correctly, the blue roads are not on the paving schedule but rather happen to serve as boundaries between maintenance zones. Glebe would be VDOT territory anyway.

semperiden
03-18-2019, 06:04 PM
These would be great. But if I interpret the map correctly, the blue roads are not on the paving schedule but rather happen to serve as boundaries between maintenance zones. Glebe would be VDOT territory anyway.

Sigh. I believe you are right.

zsionakides
03-18-2019, 08:39 PM
If space is an issue, a road diet with median removal is a nice solution. I have never seen any traffic congestion going up that hill. As long as thru-vehicles can get around those who are waiting to make left turns, there is no need for a second thru lane. We could add the second vehicle lane in the downhill direction near the bottom of the hill to maintain southbound capacity through the signal at 4MR.



I oppose converting this bike lane into any sort of two-way facility (e.g. a cycletrack or MUP). Adding high-speed downhill bicycles to the mix on that side of the road would be extremely dangerous.

I don’t think you could road diet that part of Walter Reed as rush hour traffic is pretty heavy all the way to Columbia Pike. Getting rid of the median allows for a wide enough PBL going uphill (say 6-8’ wide) and a narrower PBL going downhill.

If you get rid of the parking on the northbound side and keep the median, then there’s an 11-12’ wide facility. A cycle track would be the only thing that makes sense, otherwise it will look like a gold plated bike lane if it goes one way.

zsionakides
03-18-2019, 08:48 PM
My complete list of streets to consider:

Little Falls
McKinley/Ohio
Patrick Henry
Wilson (west of "N Arlington Mill Drive")
N Park Drive
Lorcom
Military
Quincy
7th St N
N Highland St (south of Key Blvd)
Carlin Springs
5th Road South (connecting into FFX)
S Walter Reed, particularly up Superman Hill


I would also consider from that map:

Boundary channel from Long Bridge to the connector from the MVT
Oak St in Rosslyn for PBLs to connect with Wilson and Key
Randolph Rd in Shirlington - PBLs or a cycle track to replace the current bad bike lanes
Campbell in Shirlington would be nice for a cycle track, but a row of parking would have to be taken.

dbb
03-18-2019, 11:06 PM
the proposal to pave Boundary Channel under 395 is appreciated. You could get lost in the potholes in that dark tunnel. Hoping they clean the debris off the sidewalks as part of the project

Tania
03-19-2019, 08:22 AM
Military Rd should definitely have PBLs even with the few driveways, and Lorcom Ln should put PBLs in strategically as well.

Lorcom's speed limit is a joke, especially heading east (down the hill) after Military. It's very similar to Gallows where the speed limit is completely ignored and cars frequently encroach into the bike lanes.

huskerdont
03-19-2019, 10:23 AM
Not sure why this street has a 30MPH speed limit, but it should be redesigned somehow to support 25 instead.

Not a bad idea, though it seems okay-ish at 30 to me. Maybe that's because I remember biking on it when it was four lanes. Felt like biking on a highway.

dasgeh
03-20-2019, 08:45 AM
I would also consider from that map:

Boundary channel from Long Bridge to the connector from the MVT
Oak St in Rosslyn for PBLs to connect with Wilson and Key
Randolph Rd in Shirlington - PBLs or a cycle track to replace the current bad bike lanes
Campbell in Shirlington would be nice for a cycle track, but a row of parking would have to be taken.

Thanks for these.

Re: Boundary Channel, there's this project (https://projects.arlingtonva.us/projects/boundary-channel-drive-interchange/), which will install a sidepath that connects to a new trail to the east side Humpback Bridge underpass (in other words, a really nice alternative to the wooden bridge route). But I'll bring up the possibility of bike lanes in the interim.