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dasgeh
02-26-2018, 07:57 PM
March's Arlington Bicycle Advisory Committee meeting will be on the Pike and about the Pike! We will be in the Walter Reed Community Center Conference Room A on March 5th from 7-9pm. If you have concerns about biking on and around Columbia Pike, please come.

We can start the discussion on this thread: what safety issues do you see biking on Columbia Pike? What solutions would you suggest? What would you like to discuss with ACPD?

And while we're there, we will talk to the Police and about safety on the Pike (agenda below)! All are welcome. Please help spread the word!

The Agenda will be (approximately):
7pm: Introductions, Approval of minutes
7:05pm: New business (anyone can raise a topic of interest, for approximately 2 minutes/each)
7:15pm: ACPD (Lt. Murphy will be back to talk about what the crash data from 2017 shows us, and to talk about safety on the Pike and what ACPD has been doing about it).
8:00pm: Bike on the Pike (We'll deep dive into safety issues on Columbia Pike and discuss suggestions for the County to address them).
9:00pm: Adjorn

AFHokie
02-27-2018, 07:32 AM
I cannot attend the meeting and not specifically bike related, but I'd like to know the status of the plan to convert the pedestrian activated crosswalk light to a stop light at the intersection of Columbia Pike and S Frederick St.

Cars routinely ignore the lights and this Arlnow article published after a woman from my building was hit trying to cross there in 2014 summarizes the issue: https://www.arlnow.com/2014/12/10/residents-want-traffic-light-at-columbia-pike-s-frederick-street/

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Judd
03-01-2018, 11:30 PM
I'll probably be there.

Completely agree with Dave's feedback about Columbia Pike and Frederick. When I first moved here, I nearly hit a pedestrian in this crosswalk because there aren't rapid flashing beacons where I come from and a flashing yellow signal means proceed with caution. My experience with RFBs have been that they're useless and don't get cars to stop.

Other issues:
There are several parts of the Pike where the pavement is frequently very torn up and warped (like 6 to 8 inch pavement depressions and swells) because it's places where heavy busses stop. Scott St, S. Courthouse, S. Barton and Walter Reed in front of Papillion are frequent victims. This is dangerous for both cars and cyclists and could be fixed by replacing with concrete road surface as is done in several parts of DC.

Everything about the ramps on Washington Blvd as evidenced by the number of crashes involving cyclists there in the past year. Cars exiting Washington Blvd on the Pike frequently do not stop and drivers frequently do not look both ways before rolling through. The Google Maps Streetview illustrates this: https://goo.gl/maps/weP1YXu9NRJ2 Shuttle driver pulled into the crosswalk, looking left so that he can make a right on red. This could be helped by adding stop strips before the light, barring right on red, raising the crosswalk, and squaring off the turns with a curb bump out or the installation of flexposts. Some targeted enforcement from ACPD every once in a while might be nice as well.

Heading eastbound, the variable lane signals to exit on to 395 are frequently disobeyed. Here's the street view: https://goo.gl/maps/bygXKqm5Hw12 During morning rush cars can exit on to 395 from either lane. During most other times, only the right lane can turn right, but cars will still frequently turn from the left lane even though the right lane goes straight (or can turn right). This means that every time I bike here, there's a strong possibility that a car will right hook me when I'm legally using the right lane to go straight. This could use some enforcement.

The W&OD Trail Crossing needs an LPI or a dedicated cross signal where all traffic is stopped. Trail traffic is high for this crossing and currently cars turning right off of Four Mile Run conflict with the trail crossing. It's particularly difficult when the car starts to make a right turn on red and then the crosswalk activates.

The north sidewalk on the bridge over Four Mile Run is terribly narrow and can barely accommodate two pedestrians using it at the same time. It can not accommodate a bike and a pedestrian at the same time, which is a shame because there is a CaBi station across the bridge at the Arlington Mill Community Center. I seem to recall that there was discussion of widening this or putting in a pedestrian bridge. I believe the four lanes of traffic are wide enough that a foot could be taken from each lane to widen this sidewalk.

The entire length of the bike should have dedicated bus/bike lanes.

The County should turn this parking lot (https://goo.gl/maps/rLieNmsnKgH2) that was formerly the site for recycling dumpsters into the Arlington Bicycle Campus, a dedicated facility for bicycle education courses. I will commit to providing free bicycle education courses taught by League Certified Instructors for free if the County will spring for some asphalt sealant and paint.

I've got lots of other comments but they stray more in to PACs territory.

Starduster
03-02-2018, 07:12 AM
Judd, you hit everything I wanted to highlight plus many issues I simply *lived with*. These are all the reasons my wife *will not* ride the Pike. And I was leading Papillon shop rides through here, once or twice with children, because there was no other option. :O . Join us if you can.


I'll probably be there.

Completely agree with Dave's feedback about Columbia Pike and Frederick. When I first moved here, I nearly hit a pedestrian in this crosswalk because there aren't rapid flashing beacons where I come from and a flashing yellow signal means proceed with caution. My experience with RFBs have been that they're useless and don't get cars to stop.

Other issues:
There are several parts of the Pike where the pavement is frequently very torn up and warped (like 6 to 8 inch pavement depressions and swells) because it's places where heavy busses stop. Scott St, S. Courthouse, S. Barton and Walter Reed in front of Papillion are frequent victims. This is dangerous for both cars and cyclists and could be fixed by replacing with concrete road surface as is done in several parts of DC.

Everything about the ramps on Washington Blvd as evidenced by the number of crashes involving cyclists there in the past year. Cars exiting Washington Blvd on the Pike frequently do not stop and drivers frequently do not look both ways before rolling through. The Google Maps Streetview illustrates this: https://goo.gl/maps/weP1YXu9NRJ2 Shuttle driver pulled into the crosswalk, looking left so that he can make a right on red. This could be helped by adding stop strips before the light, barring right on red, raising the crosswalk, and squaring off the turns with a curb bump out or the installation of flexposts. Some targeted enforcement from ACPD every once in a while might be nice as well.

Heading eastbound, the variable lane signals to exit on to 395 are frequently disobeyed. Here's the street view: https://goo.gl/maps/bygXKqm5Hw12 During morning rush cars can exit on to 395 from either lane. During most other times, only the right lane can turn right, but cars will still frequently turn from the left lane even though the right lane goes straight (or can turn right). This means that every time I bike here, there's a strong possibility that a car will right hook me when I'm legally using the right lane to go straight. This could use some enforcement.

The W&OD Trail Crossing needs an LPI or a dedicated cross signal where all traffic is stopped. Trail traffic is high for this crossing and currently cars turning right off of Four Mile Run conflict with the trail crossing. It's particularly difficult when the car starts to make a right turn on red and then the crosswalk activates.

The north sidewalk on the bridge over Four Mile Run is terribly narrow and can barely accommodate two pedestrians using it at the same time. It can not accommodate a bike and a pedestrian at the same time, which is a shame because there is a CaBi station across the bridge at the Arlington Mill Community Center. I seem to recall that there was discussion of widening this or putting in a pedestrian bridge. I believe the four lanes of traffic are wide enough that a foot could be taken from each lane to widen this sidewalk.

The entire length of the bike should have dedicated bus/bike lanes.

The County should turn this parking lot (https://goo.gl/maps/rLieNmsnKgH2) that was formerly the site for recycling dumpsters into the Arlington Bicycle Campus, a dedicated facility for bicycle education courses. I will commit to providing free bicycle education courses taught by League Certified Instructors for free if the County will spring for some asphalt sealant and paint.

I've got lots of other comments but they stray more in to PACs territory.

zsionakides
03-02-2018, 11:24 AM
Everything about the ramps on Washington Blvd as evidenced by the number of crashes involving cyclists there in the past year. Cars exiting Washington Blvd on the Pike frequently do not stop and drivers frequently do not look both ways before rolling through. The Google Maps Streetview illustrates this: https://goo.gl/maps/weP1YXu9NRJ2 Shuttle driver pulled into the crosswalk, looking left so that he can make a right on red. This could be helped by adding stop strips before the light, barring right on red, raising the crosswalk, and squaring off the turns with a curb bump out or the installation of flexposts. Some targeted enforcement from ACPD every once in a while might be nice as well.

Heading eastbound, the variable lane signals to exit on to 395 are frequently disobeyed. Here's the street view: https://goo.gl/maps/bygXKqm5Hw12 During morning rush cars can exit on to 395 from either lane. During most other times, only the right lane can turn right, but cars will still frequently turn from the left lane even though the right lane goes straight (or can turn right). This means that every time I bike here, there's a strong possibility that a car will right hook me when I'm legally using the right lane to go straight. This could use some enforcement.
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At Washington Blvd, turning right from the Westbound Washington Blvd ramp to Westbound Columbia Pike, it is very hard to see bikes going eastbound on the north side, and even pedestrians. The bridge blocks the sight line for anyone coming through. No right turn on red would probably help.

For eastbound Columbia Pike to 395, it would be best to get rid of the stripes on the road and just go with the visual signals. The striping confuses the situation and forces someone driving to comprehend the sign ahead of time.

Steve O
03-02-2018, 01:49 PM
Heading eastbound, the variable lane signals to exit on to 395 are frequently disobeyed. Here's the street view: https://goo.gl/maps/bygXKqm5Hw12 During morning rush cars can exit on to 395 from either lane. During most other times, only the right lane can turn right, but cars will still frequently turn from the left lane even though the right lane goes straight (or can turn right). This means that every time I bike here, there's a strong possibility that a car will right hook me when I'm legally using the right lane to go straight. This could use some enforcement.


I rode through here for the first time recently, and I did not realize these were variable lanes. I think I saw the paint on the lanes but not the overhead signs. I was rather uncomfortable, because I was not certain where I should position myself for maximum (haha) safety. Thankfully it was a low traffic time of day.

Judd
03-02-2018, 06:09 PM
I rode through here for the first time recently, and I did not realize these were variable lanes. I think I saw the paint on the lanes but not the overhead signs. I was rather uncomfortable, because I was not certain where I should position myself for maximum (haha) safety. Thankfully it was a low traffic time of day.

During morning rush hour, take the left lane once you pass S. Courthouse. It’s downhill, so you’ll be near traffic speed.

During other times take (as in straight down the middle) of the right lane. As you approach the exit ramp, start looking for asshats that are going to illegally right hook you from the left lane.


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Starduster
03-04-2018, 12:20 PM
I rode through here for the first time recently, and I did not realize these were variable lanes. I think I saw the paint on the lanes but not the overhead signs. I was rather uncomfortable, because I was not certain where I should position myself for maximum (haha) safety. Thankfully it was a low traffic time of day.

The reality check- regardless of how the lane signals are configured, whether I'm on 2 wheels or 4, I must have a contingency plan to avoid someone who disregards those signals.

Steve O
03-04-2018, 06:44 PM
During other times take (as in rude straight down the middle of) the right lane. As you approach the exit ramp, start looking for asshats who are going...


That's what all those honking cars call it.

Judd
03-04-2018, 07:16 PM
That's what all those honking cars call it.

GD Autocorrect. Taking a lane is not rude and I do it any time the lane is not of sufficient width for a car to legally pass within the lane.

Starduster
03-04-2018, 08:55 PM
I am making sure John Harpold of Papillon Cycles will be at the meeting. He has some skin in this game- literally. Several of our customers who were hurt on the Pike, and his own busted ribs.

dasgeh
03-05-2018, 01:06 PM
Thanks all! Hope to see many of you tonight at the meeting. I'll print all the comments at 5pm to take with me (so if you have anything to add, now is the time!).

:-)

Judd
03-05-2018, 03:14 PM
The north sidewalk on the bridge over Four Mile Run is terribly narrow and can barely accommodate two pedestrians using it at the same time. It can not accommodate a bike and a pedestrian at the same time, which is a shame because there is a CaBi station across the bridge at the Arlington Mill Community Center. I seem to recall that there was discussion of widening this or putting in a pedestrian bridge. I believe the four lanes of traffic are wide enough that a foot could be taken from each lane to widen this sidewalk.



I'd also add that Arlington Mill appears to be incredibly popular with the kids so there's lots of traffic from young people from the neighborhood here. It's also going to the be the new home of Phoenix which should bring a lot more bike traffic from the youth members as well as customers.


Another thought more related to the Bike Boulevards:
9th and Buchanan when coming up from the W&OD has really bad sight lines for cyclists. It's especially hard to see cards coming up the hill from the Pike. This could be improved by removing 1 or 2 car parking spaces on the western side of Buchanan to provide a better sight line. Alternatively, this intersection could be made a 4 way stop. About 50% of the time that I go through here when cars are present, they stop for me any way.

The traffic signal on 8th and George Mason does not detect bicycles. Bikes either have to run this signal (hopefully after lawfully waiting two minutes, but who is using a stopwatch) or use the ped beg button which is located in an awkward position.

The traffic signal at 7th and Glebe does not detect bicycles either.

The official Bike Boulevard on 9th Strett includes a one way segment between Ivy and Irving, which includes salmoning.

I very rarely use 9th St since the crossings at Glebe and Walter Reed do not have a traffic control signal and are therefore not worth the risk to me. If I had kids, they would be so grounded if I caught them using 9th St instead of 7th and 8th to cross Walter Reed, Glebe and George Mason.

Judd
03-06-2018, 07:34 PM
Attended BAC last night. Took some notes.

There was a good sized crowd of approximately 20, many of whom are Columbia Pike Commuters.

Arlington County Police - Lt. Murphy
- ACPD is making a more concerted effort to collect data
- Crashes are often reported after the fact because people don't feel injured at the time
- ACPD has three shifts. If a ped/bike crash happens during a shift, it always makes the shift report
- Lt. Murphy did an analysis of every pedestrian and bike related crash in 2017
- The crashes aren't currently mapped because the crime mapping position in Arlington County has been vacant for over year. Lt. Murphy is using another resource to get crashes mapped.
- Pedestrian crashes were flat in 2017. Bike crashes nearly doubled.
- Most bike crashes are on Lee Highway and Columbia Pike
- ACPD meets regularly with DES to discuss trouble spots
- ACPD is understaffed. They're authorized 370 officers but only have 350. Lots of trouble recruiting because of pay. 13th out of 14th in pay in the area
- Lt. Murphy's team does a mandatory number of pedestrian safety actions each week
- Safe Bike Initiative is the first week of May

Q: Following up on using bikes while doing cross walk enforcement?
A: Not planned because there's no standards for the distance a car is away from the crosswalk when a bike is involved.

Q: Does ACPD discuss Leading Pedestrian Intervals with DES?
A: Yes. Police push for it. Responding to pedestrian traffic crashes are difficult for officer's to respond to (the implication was emotionally difficult) Arlington pedestrian fatality rates are lower than surrounding communities because speeds are generally lower.

Q: Are there any intersections where cars turning right on red are problematic?
A: Still working on getting a map of the crash data to determine hot spots. ACPD puts out 8 LIDARS per week to monitor traffic speed and target enforcement.

- Columbia Pike had a cross walk enforcement a few months ago.
- Many of the problems are challenges of volume. Most crashes are during day time rush hour.

Q: What about enforcement of cars in the bike lanes?
A: Not lots of places to park delivery trucks. Officers will sometimes shoo cars along but usually don't stop to write tickets. ACPD will not dispatch an officer for bike lane enforcement, but will dispatch a PSA. PSAs have geographic assignments. You can e-mail police@arlingtonva.us to request parking enforcement or to complain about anything.

Lt. Murphy shared a report of all 2017 bike and pedestrian crashes

Dan Naghbors(sp?) - Arlington DES
- Dan shared a map of future Pike bike infrastructure
- Columbia Pike is the busiest bus transit corridor in the County
- Washington Boulevard Bridge Intersection over Columbia Pike is owned by VDOT. The rest of the Pike is Arlington. Making changes at the bridge requires working with VDOT
- Considering a contraflow lane on the one way street on 11th
- DES has a monthly meeting with ACPD where they discuss high severity crashes
- The Hoffman Boston Connector is slated for 2022-2023 construction
- 110 Trail would loop around Arlington Cemetery to Memorial Bridge - still in far off concept stage
- Dan said it would be possible to do a bike count on Columbia Pike with cameras

The rest of the meeting was a disjointed conversation where people complained about things on the Pike

zsionakides
03-07-2018, 01:34 PM
Has there been consideration of turning one of the Columbia Pike lanes east of Washington Blvd in to a 2-way PBL - maybe the eastbound lane, since most the eastbound traffic is going to 27/395. There isn't much traffic east of 27 even at rush hour. This PBL could connect in with the 27 bike ways and the future connector through ANCC.